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Ramana; Theres is no witness

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Questioner says: Sleep was a state of oblivionand the wakeful state was the mind's activity. The mind was in apotential state in sleep.

 

Q: In a state of oblivion. There must bea witness of oblivion and of the mind which says that'I' am continuous in both states.

 

Maharshi:Who is this witness? You speak of 'witness'. There must be anobject and a subject to witness. These are creations of the mind.The idea of witness is in the mind. If there was the witness ofoblivion did he say, 'I witness oblivion'? You, with your mind,said just now that there must be a witness. Who was the witness?You must reply 'I'. Who is that 'I' again? You are identifyingyourself with the ego and say 'I'. Is this ego 'I', the witness?It is the mind that speaks. It cannot be witness of itself. Withself-imposed limitations you think that there is a witness of mindand of oblivion. You also say, 'I am the witness'. That one whowitnesses the oblivion must say, I witness oblivion'. The presentmind cannot arrogate to itself that position.

 

The whole position becomes thus untenable. Consciousness isunlimited. On becoming limited it simply arrogates to itself theposition. There is really nothing to witness. It is simple being.

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