Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Dearest brother in love Rob: Just got back from another 8 day Vipassana retreat at the Hawaii Palolo Zen center, who generously shared their perfect facility with the Insight students and teachers. As soon as I recover, would you like me to share about that experience as I think I did the last time? Hi Alton, Sorry that it has taken me so long to reply. > Do you ever think of death, sex, inheritance etc? Of course. But the actual thought isn't just "death." An actual thought is something specific. For example, I sometimes remember the events on the day when my father had a heart attack when I was eight years old. I remember the living room where he was sitting. I remember the board game I was playing with other children on the floor when he keeled over. What I'm describing to you is an actual memory in the form in which it appears to me. You don't have that memory and you never will. I don't have that particular memory, but surely there are similarities that are recorded in consciousness and if that event has charge on it, it may be filed away in one's mind,, occluding our Attention, We have eons of recorded experiences that have never been dealt with as far as untying energy knots. What I see Goldstein as noting, is not copies of thoughts and feeling experiences but general categories. I may not have that exact experience but I have to tell you that my father's heart once stopped at Grossingers and miraculously he was revived. Similarly, I don't have your memories. Possibly, but don't we both have pockets of reactivity causing stimulus automaticities and false intensifications. Again what I was referring to was not exact duplications. > Only the gifted that come in that way will ever have a > silent mind. I think anyone can have a silent mind. In fact everyone probably does have a silent mind at times. They just don't notice because the act of noticing and commenting to one's self about the silence is part of the noisemaker. I meant a Ramana silent mind, with no longer any 'I' thinker. Ramana: "you are either free or you and not free at all". I would like to retract the 'gifted' statement above. Anyone who is earnestly persistent with desire and training can have that Ramana mind, But not quitters like Judy. Is that what you call a personal attack? I don't because it is just giving back what she previously has offered on this forum. The mind can only be silent at times when a person is not interested in his or her own thoughts. Alton is interested in noticing all object appearances of the mind and when he gains the requisite concentration and wisdom, not only Alton will disappear but the objects also. With Metta blessing, Alton aka Komo Kasha You can't be interested in thoughts and silent at the same time, because an interest in thoughts evokes thoughts, and the existence of thoughts is the opposite of quiet. All these thoughts, Alton. Thoughts and thoughts and thoughts and thoughts. Thoughts so numerous and vivid that they have to be expressed in BIG RED LETTERS. Vaya con dios, Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Dear Alton, That's great Alton. I'm happy for you. Yes, I think it would be interesting to hear about your experiences on the retreat. (Not your thoughts or theories but your experiences. ) > Possibly, but don't we both have > pockets of reactivity causing stimulus > automaticities and false intensifications. > Again what I was referring to was not > exact duplications. If you say so. Alton, you're always saying you want a quiet mind. But then you fill up your mind with thoughts and theories and multisyllabic words. How can your mind be quiet when you keep busying yourself with all this thinking? > Is that what you call a personal attack? I don't > because it is just giving back what she previously > has offered on this forum. Yes, that's a personal attack. Nothing that was said in the past has the slightest bearing on whether it's a personal attack. From now on I plan to be more active in enforcing the rule against such comments. If you or anyone else persists in posting such remarks after I have asked them to stop (and I'm asking you to stop right now), they will be placed on moderation. (That means their messages will not appear on the list until I've reviewed them and approved them individually.) Love, Rob Realization [Realization ] On Behalf Of Komo KashaSunday, July 10, 2005 2:22 AMRealization Subject: Re: Anyone is capable of doing *anything*? Dearest brother in love Rob: Just got back from another 8 day Vipassana retreat at the Hawaii Palolo Zen center, who generously shared their perfect facility with the Insight students and teachers. As Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Dear Rob: Dear Alton, That's great Alton. I'm happy for you. Yes, I think it would be interesting to hear about your experiences on the retreat. (Not your thoughts or theories but your experiences. ) Ok, I will be aware of your not wanting to taste my theories. Now I know our friendship is real, because only that kind of a friendship offers pull-ups. > Possibly, but don't we both have > pockets of reactivity causing stimulus > automaticities and false intensifications. > Again what I was referring to was not > exact duplications. If you say so. Alton, you're always saying you want a quiet mind. But then you fill up your mind with thoughts and theories and multisyllabic words. How can your mind be quiet when you keep busying yourself with all this thinking? On the retreat it was hammered into us by the two teachers and this young monk, who surely is a reincarnation of maybe even Buddha, that the faculty of mindfulness, when it kicks in is always in the present time. Therefore I now am not asking for a quiet mind, only one that is mindful of any kind of appearance in consciousness, including constant chit chat. > Is that what you call a personal attack? I don't > because it is just giving back what she previously > has offered on this forum. Yes, that's a personal attack. Nothing that was said in the past has the slightest bearing on whether it's a personal attack. From now on I plan to be more active in enforcing the rule against such comments. If you or anyone else persists in posting such remarks after I have asked them to stop (and I'm asking you to stop right now), they will be placed on moderation. (That means their messages will not appear on the list until I've reviewed them and approved them individually.) This is proof to me that you have raised your consciousness to a higher level. So I will be very careful not to stick needles into my sisters and brothers in love. Mahalo, Alton Love, Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Dear Alton, > Therefore I now am not asking for a quiet mind, only > one that is mindful of any kind of appearance in > consciousness, including constant chit chat. I find that if i'm mindful, then thoughts stop. Conversely, whenever thoughts are happening, I'm not really aware. So mindfulness is really a tactic for making the mind quiet. At least, that's what happens to me. > This is proof to me that you have raised your consciousness > to a higher level. Well I doubt that. But I do feel more confident about insisting that people behave politely here. It probably has something to do with having met my guru last month. Love, Rob Realization [Realization ] On Behalf Of Komo KashaMonday, July 11, 2005 1:10 PMRealization Subject: Re: Anyone is capable of doing *anything*? Dear Rob: Dear Alton, That's great Alton. I'm happy for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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