The Modern Buddha with addendum

[Guest guest]

Hi Alton,

 

> Ramana was said get angry too, but not often.

 

Why shouldn't he get angry? So what?

 

> I happened to react badly about 6

> months ago and I vowed never to let

> it happen again.

 

You might just as well vow never to fart again. You can't

stop being human.

 

For that matter, as Gurdjieff liked to point out, people

can't keep any sort of promise anyway.

 

> My view is that we are only playing roles

> from the Universal script and the director

> is God or the mysterious power, as one

> nun characterized God.

 

If you really believe this, then why are you making vows?

 

Come to think of it, Gurdjieff had the answer for this too.

He would say that there are many Altons. One of them

believes in vows and another thinks God is a movie director.

 

> False ideas may or may not be invalidated,

> but the one who offers it surely can be

> invalidated if that person goes into

> agreement with the attack.

 

A false idea is invalid to begin with, so how can anybody

invalidate it? All that anyone can do is notice that it's

false. If that's invalidation, then realization is

invalidation.

 

The older I get, the more convinced I become that wisdom

depends primarily on a willingness to admit our failings and

weaknesses to ourselves, including our mistaken beliefs.

Somebody who can't do that is doomed to go to his grave as a

fool.

 

> What do you do on the weekends? Self

> inquiry, TV or???

 

Lately I've been busy finishing up some work so I can move

to Oregon for the rest of the summer.

 

Regards,

 

Rob

 

 

 

 

Realization

[Realization ] On Behalf Of Komo Kasha

Friday, August 05, 2005 7:28 PM

Realization

Re: The Modern Buddha with addendum

 

Dear Rob:

All is well with us. Even the highest of the high on rare

occasions lose it. Ramana was said get angry too, but not

often.

 

I happened to react badly about 6 months ago and I vowed

never to let it happen again.

 

My view is that we are only playing roles from the Universal

script and the director is God or the mysterious power, as

one nun characterized God.

 

 

False ideas may or may not be invalidated, but the one who

offers it surely can be invalidated if that person goes into

agreement with the attack..

 

I still don't know what Realization is after all these

years, but maybe I never will or maybe I have another idea

about the assassination of the personal.??????

 

What do you do on the weekends? Self inquiry, TV or???

 

Love,

Alton

[Guest guest]

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Rob Sacks

Realization

Friday, August 05, 2005 10:12 PM

RE: The Modern Buddha with addendum

 

 

Hi Alton,

 

> Ramana was said get angry too, but not often.

 

Why shouldn't he get angry? So what?<<<<

Yes in Advaita if appears that the reactive mind is not quelled. Ramana was

high but is not finished. Only when the reactive mind is neutralized is one

FINISHED. Ramana is someplace in the creation blissing out with the SELF,

whereas the Arhants cant be found any place in the creation because they are

completely freed.

So you don't want any more quotes, then you get Alton's views without hearsay

references.

 

 

 

> I happened to react badly about 6

> months ago and I vowed never to let

> it happen again.

 

You might just as well vow never to fart again. You can't

stop being human.<<<

 

Yes one can, see above. If I was not getting less and less reactive I would

quit my practice and smoke Hawaiian buds for the rest of my days on earth.

 

For that matter, as Gurdjieff liked to point out, people

can't keep any sort of promise anyway.

 

I thought you did not want quotes? Do you allow paraphrases?

We all are a bundle of hypocritical contractions, so go easy on yourself

again.

 

 

> My view is that we are only playing roles

> from the Universal script and the director

> is God or the mysterious power, as one

> nun characterized God.

 

If you really believe this, then why are you making vows?<<<<

 

That is the role I am playing. You want me to play another role? Then become

God and give me another role to your liking.

 

Come to think of it, Gurdjieff had the answer for this too.

He would say that there are many Altons. One of them

believes in vows and another thinks God is a movie director<<<<<<

 

More hearsay quoting huh? I think you were right about asking for me not to

post quotes. Who cares what anyone else says anyway.

 

> False ideas may or may not be invalidated,

> but the one who offers it surely can be

> invalidated if that person goes into

> agreement with the attack.

 

A false idea is invalid to begin with, so how can anybody

invalidate it? All that anyone can do is notice that it's

false. If that's invalidation, then realization is

invalidation.

 

A false idea is in the mind of the one who thinks or believes it is false.

So your recent personal attack is kosher to you?

Don't we all try to rationalize our screw ups? I hope I admit mine.

 

The older I get, the more convinced I become that wisdom

depends primarily on a willingness to admit our failings and

weaknesses to ourselves, including our mistaken beliefs.

Somebody who can't do that is doomed to go to his grave as a

fool.<<<<<<<<<<<<

 

The older I get the more convinced that mindfulness it the way to liberation.

So I have to agree with the Buddha who said mindfulness is the only way.

 

> What do you do on the weekends? Self

> inquiry, TV or???

 

Lately I've been busy finishing up some work so I can move

to Oregon for the rest of the summer.<<<<<<<

 

Our Daughter and adopted Cambodian Granddaughter live in Portland.

If you move there maybe you can run into them. They are easy to identify if

you see them in the street.

Regards to you too,

Alton

 

p.s. Here is my new profile.

 

http://profiles./lostnfoundation

 

 

Regards,

 

Rob

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Alton,

 

> I thought you did not want quotes?

> Do you allow paraphrases?

 

That's not what I wrote. It might be a good idea for you go

back and read what I wrote.

 

> A false idea is in the mind of the

> one who thinks or believes it is false.

 

If there's no objective standard of truth, then what's the

point of having conversations?

 

> So your recent personal attack is kosher to you?

 

I think it was bad because it probably hurt your feelings.

(Of course I don't know if it hurt your feelings, but I got

the impression that it did.)

 

Regards,

 

Rob

 

 

 

 

Realization

[Realization ] On Behalf Of Alton

Slater

Saturday, August 06, 2005 3:29 PM

Realization

Re: The Modern Buddha with addendum

 

 

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Rob Sacks

Realization

Friday, August 05, 2005 10:12 PM

RE: The Modern Buddha with addendum

 

 

Hi Alton,

 

> Ramana was said get angry too, but not often.

 

Why shouldn't he get angry? So what?<<<<

Yes in Advaita if appears that the reactive mind is not

quelled. Ramana was high but is not finished. Only when the

reactive mind is neutralized is one FINISHED. Ramana is

someplace in the creation blissing out with the SELF,

whereas the Arhants cant be found any place in the creation

because they are completely freed.

So you don't want any more quotes, then you get Alton's

views without hearsay references.

[Guest guest]

-

Rob Sacks

Realization

Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:59 AM

RE: The Modern Buddha with addendum

 

 

Hi Alton,

 

> I thought you did not want quotes?

> Do you allow paraphrases?

 

That's not what I wrote. It might be a good idea for you go

back and read what I wrote.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Of course if I posted Ramana you would not have reacted.

 

 

> A false idea is in the mind of the

> one who thinks or believes it is false.

 

If there's no objective standard of truth, then what's the

point of having conversations?<<<<<<<<

There is no use. It is merely a dual of egos. Your truth is not my truth and

visa versa. Do you think anyone will get Enlightened or

Realized reading these posts? Call it entertainment and be done with it.

Read some posts on Guru ratings and find out for yourself. You are a smart one

so

I like to see if dumb me can hold a candle to you.

 

 

 

> So your recent personal attack is kosher to you?

 

I think it was bad because it probably hurt your feelings.

(Of course I don't know if it hurt your feelings, but I got

the impression that it did.)<<<<<

 

No I am pretty cool on personal attacks now after many years of being

on the receiving side, especially on the stock market boards.

It is just that you recently posted that you would not allow any and that if

someone

used them you would put them on moderation. If you did not post that than it

would be fine with me.

Actually I say let the attacks come as they come. That is a necessary part of

our purification, but on the groups that I moderate

members and friends get upset and I have lost friends because of that, so I

dont allow them either.

 

There is a process in Scientolgy called Bull Baiting. Your partner tries to

key you in to your reactive mind. It sure informs one

of their reactivity and is a great process for one's spiritual evolution. I

happen to be good at finding out what other people attachemnets are. It is the

Scorpio part of my astrological chart that gives me that abiliity. However I

have cooled that mostly now unless someone volunteers.

 

I should start a group where personal attacks are not only allowed but also

advised. Of course I may not have any members, so I would have to have multiple

alias's and attack myself. LOL.

Anyone here interested?

Love,

Alton

 

 

Regards,

 

Rob

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Alton,

 

>>> Alton: I thought you did not want quotes?

>>> Do you allow paraphrases?

 

>> Rob: That's not what I wrote. It might be a good idea

for you go

>> back and read what I wrote.

 

> Alton: Of course if I posted Ramana you would not have

reacted.

 

Alton, please go back and read what I wrote. It's great

that you have the ability to know what I would say in

imaginary circumstances that didn't take place.

 

But it's more important for you to know what I actually did

say.

 

Regards,

 

Rob

 

 

 

 

Realization

[Realization ] On Behalf Of Alton

Slater

Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:19 PM

Realization

Re: The Modern Buddha with addendum

[Guest guest]

Dear Rob:

I still need clarification. If I post Bhikku Samahita and at the end I put in a

question, will that be acceptable to you?

 

Otherwise please take out ENTIRELY.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Love,

Alton Slater

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Rob Sacks

Realization

Saturday, August 06, 2005 12:45 PM

RE: The Modern Buddha with addendum

 

 

Hi Alton,

 

>>> Alton: I thought you did not want quotes?

>>> Do you allow paraphrases?

 

>> Rob: That's not what I wrote. It might be a good idea

for you go

>> back and read what I wrote.

 

> Alton: Of course if I posted Ramana you would not have

reacted.

 

Alton, please go back and read what I wrote. It's great

that you have the ability to know what I would say in

imaginary circumstances that didn't take place.

 

But it's more important for you to know what I actually did

say.

 

Regards,

 

Rob

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Alton,

 

> I still need clarification. If I post Bhikku

> Samahita and at the end I put in a question,

> will that be acceptable to you?

 

Alton, I asked you in a friendly, polite way to stop posting

book excerpts because this forum is for live conversations.

 

First you misunderstood the request because you didn't take

time to read it.

 

Now you're are turning it into an matter for splitting

hairs, as if we're lawyers in a court room.

 

I'm not going to do that.

 

If you have any doubt about a message, then don't post it

here.

 

Regards,

 

Rob

 

 

 

Realization

[Realization ] On Behalf Of Alton

Slater

Saturday, August 06, 2005 8:01 PM

Realization

Re: The Modern Buddha with addendum

 

Dear Rob:

I still need clarification. If I post Bhikku Samahita and at

the end I put in a question, will that be acceptable to you?

 

Otherwise please take out ENTIRELY.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Love,

Alton Slater