Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 Friends: What are the Four Kinds of Clinging (Upadana) ? The four kinds of Clinging are: 1: Clinging to sense pleasures, 2: Clinging to views, 3: Clinging to mere rules and ritual, 4: Clinging to the concept of self. 1: What is clinging to sense pleasures? Whatever, regarding perceptible objects, there is of lust for pleasures, desire for sensing, greed for sense pleasures, delight in sense pleasures, craving for sense pleasures, burning fever for sense pleasures, infatuation with sense pleasures, committal to sense pleasures, adherence to sense pleasures, attachment to sense pleasures, addiction to sense pleasures, obsession to sense pleasures; all this is called the clinging to sense pleasures... 2: What is clinging to views? The view that: 'Alms, giving & offerings are useless'; and the view that: 'There is neither fruit nor result of neither good nor bad behaviour...!' All such wrong views & mad opinions are called the clinging to views... 3: What is clinging to mere rules and ritual? Attaching & clutching to the view that through mere rules and ritual, and weird superstitious traditions, one may reach complete mental purification... All this is called the clinging to mere rules and ritual... 4: What is clinging to the 'personality' concept of a self? The 20 kinds of ego-views with regard to the 5 clusters of clinging: 'My self is form, or have a form, or is inside a form, or form is inside my self' 'My self is feeling, ... or perception, ... or construction, ... or consciousness' 'have consciousness, is inside consciousness, or consciousness is inside a self'. All such stable core ego-assuming is called the clinging to the concept of self... Clinging is an intensified result of craving, which is caused by craving. Craving is wanting and urging for an object not yet reached, but hunted. Clinging is the firm grasping and clutching to an object already in hand. Clinging promote possessiveness, hostile defensiveness and evil behaviour in the attempt to guard the object! Pain emerges, when whatever object inevitably is lost due to the impermanence of the always ongoing change. Future becoming with side-effects of decay is caused by prior clinging... _____________ Bhikkhu Samahita, Sri Lanka. Friendship is the Greatest ... Let there be Calm Free Bliss !!! Buddha-Direct Friendship is the GREATEST! The whole motivation of the Noble life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 Hi Alton, Please do me a favor. Let's not have any more posts here that consist entirely of quotations from other people's writings. This group is for conversations between living people, not for book exerpts. Thanks you sir. Regards, Rob Realization [Realization ] On Behalf Of Komo Kasha Saturday, August 06, 2005 3:29 AM exclusive_Focus Cc: GOD VIA What is Clinging ... ??? Friends: What are the Four Kinds of Clinging (Upadana) ? The four kinds of Clinging are: 1: Clinging to sense pleasures, 2: Clinging to views, 3: Clinging to mere rules and ritual, 4: Clinging to the concept of self. 1: What is clinging to sense pleasures? Whatever, regarding perceptible objects, there is of lust for pleasures, desire for sensing, greed for sense pleasures, delight in sense pleasures, craving for sense pleasures, burning fever for sense pleasures, infatuation with sense pleasures, committal to sense pleasures, adherence to sense pleasures, attachment to sense pleasures, addiction to sense pleasures, obsession to sense pleasures; all this is called the clinging to sense pleasures... 2: What is clinging to views? The view that: 'Alms, giving & offerings are useless'; and the view that: 'There is neither fruit nor result of neither good nor bad behaviour...!' All such wrong views & mad opinions are called the clinging to views... 3: What is clinging to mere rules and ritual? Attaching & clutching to the view that through mere rules and ritual, and weird superstitious traditions, one may reach complete mental purification... All this is called the clinging to mere rules and ritual... 4: What is clinging to the 'personality' concept of a self? The 20 kinds of ego-views with regard to the 5 clusters of clinging: 'My self is form, or have a form, or is inside a form, or form is inside my self' 'My self is feeling, ... or perception, ... or construction, ... or consciousness' 'have consciousness, is inside consciousness, or consciousness is inside a self'. All such stable core ego-assuming is called the clinging to the concept of self... Clinging is an intensified result of craving, which is caused by craving. Craving is wanting and urging for an object not yet reached, but hunted. Clinging is the firm grasping and clutching to an object already in hand. Clinging promote possessiveness, hostile defensiveness and evil behaviour in the attempt to guard the object! Pain emerges, when whatever object inevitably is lost due to the impermanence of the always ongoing change. Future becoming with side-effects of decay is caused by prior clinging... __________ ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 - " Rob Sacks " <editor <Realization > Saturday, August 06, 2005 4:14 AM RE: What is Clinging ... ??? > Hi Alton, > > Please do me a favor. Let's not have any more posts here > that consist entirely of quotations from other people's > writings. > > This group is for conversations between living people, not > for book exerpts. > > Thanks you sir. > > Regards, > > Rob Greetings fellows, The ex-change (not interchange) here is quite interesting. I would like you both to visit a site in which I believe you will find great treasure. The site is www.integralnaked.com It is a site about Spiral Dynamics and Integral Psychology. (Don Beck and Ken Wilbur, and many other wonderful people of wide and varied spiritual traditions.) I believe that it is possible that there is an inherent seed of the need to do good things that sometimes is able to be manifest in some people some of the time. So if you will send me a private email, I will " loan " you my passcode and member name so you can check out the site. (You do not need a password to check the site out, but to really check it out well you will.) Go there first and take a look at the introduction. Email me offlist with your thoughts. I am quite sure that we are all clingers, and even clinging to non-attachment or the idea of it is a human clinging, causing dukha and maya. This paradox is a cosmic riddle, the answer lying just beyond the thin veil between the hours of night and day...The Bardo...Limbo, and on... Peace and Humble Gassho, Tenshin Matsukatsu Heidamura ( Ju-Ichi Ban Tomio No Otomo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 Sure Rob: What ever you say I will do, because you are the moderator and have the right to tailor the group the way you want it. Love, Alton - Rob Sacks Realization Friday, August 05, 2005 10:14 PM RE: What is Clinging ... ??? Hi Alton, Please do me a favor. Let's not have any more posts here that consist entirely of quotations from other people's writings. This group is for conversations between living people, not for book exerpts. Thanks you sir. Regards, Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 Send me the password at lostnfoundation That is if you ever come back to this site again. Looks interesting. Aloha, Alton Greetings fellows, The ex-change (not interchange) here is quite interesting. I would like you both to visit a site in which I believe you will find great treasure. The site is www.integralnaked.com It is a site about Spiral Dynamics and Integral Psychology. (Don Beck and Ken Wilbur, and many other wonderful people of wide and varied spiritual traditions.) I believe that it is possible that there is an inherent seed of the need to do good things that sometimes is able to be manifest in some people some of the time. So if you will send me a private email, I will " loan " you my passcode and member name so you can check out the site. (You do not need a password to check the site out, but to really check it out well you will.) Go there first and take a look at the introduction. Email me offlist with your thoughts. I am quite sure that we are all clingers, and even clinging to non-attachment or the idea of it is a human clinging, causing dukha and maya. This paradox is a cosmic riddle, the answer lying just beyond the thin veil between the hours of night and day...The Bardo...Limbo, and on... Peace and Humble Gassho, Tenshin Matsukatsu Heidamura ( Ju-Ichi Ban Tomio No Otomo) .................................................... By sending a message to this mail group, you are giving permission to have it reproduced as a letter on http://www.realization.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 - " Alton Slater " <unbound <Realization > Saturday, August 06, 2005 4:02 PM Re: What is Clinging ... ??? > Send me the password at lostnfoundation > > That is if you ever come back to this site again. Looks interesting. > > Aloha, > Alton > > I am always here. Will send it soon. MH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 Hi Matt, Thank you. That's a kind offer. My email address appears in the header of this email. (I'm the only one who reads mail that's sent to that address.) Regards, Rob Realization [Realization ] On Behalf Of Matt Henderson Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:29 AM Realization Re: What is Clinging ... ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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