Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Dear Rob. Michael, Matt, Judy and everyone else in the universe that wastes time reading my posts. What I have concluded after 30 years of intense sadhana is that, except for the GIFTED ONES like Ramana, the sadhana must happen on all of the 4 foundations of mindfulness as well as any other meditation techniques that one practices. See the Net or previous posts if you cant recall what they are. Not only that, but also diet and exercise has to be concentrated on or the psyche gets bogged down with negative mental states caused by the functions of the body going out of whack. I proffer that Rob would have been Realized many years ago if the universe gave him dietary and exercise mediums. Rob, am I being presumptuous about you not paying much or practically no attention to diet and exercise? Every so often we are impressed when we meet someone that is on their last legs and still radiates joyfulness. However in this poster's view, more than a moiety of other seekers have to fight off negative mental states that put a damper on their sadhana. Do you agree of disagree with the aforesaid? If this post too is inappropriate for this group lostnfoundation will become a lurker waiting for someone to post something here. As far on my own sadhana goes, I am pleased and optimistic that I am on the right track to not only wipe out my reactive mind clean, but also becoming one with the Divinity. If I did not notice progress I would quickly quit the QUEST. Love, Alton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Hi Alton, > Rob, am I being presumptuous about you not > paying much or practically no attention to > diet and exercise? I'm deliberate about diet but don't get much exercise. When I was younger I exercised compulsively, spending 15 hours a week at bodybuilding gyms. My diet now is low-fat, high anti-oxidant, low glycemic index. I eat a lot of fruits, nuts, skim dairy products, fish, shellfish. No concentrated fats except olive oil and fish oil. I don't eat mammals or birds or starchy stuff. Back in my bodybuilding days I was on high-protein, close-to-zero fat diets. My cholesterol back then tested at 112. This reminds me that several years ago I experimented to see if there was any truth to the traditional idea that certain foods promote sattvic states of mind, others tamasic, etc. I couldn't detect any effect, except that eating lots of carbs causes sleepiness. Regards, Rob Realization [Realization ] On Behalf Of Alton Slater Sunday, August 07, 2005 4:36 PM REALIZATION, ROB'S Following the rules I hope.. corrected Dear Rob. Michael, Matt, Judy and everyone else in the universe that wastes time reading my posts. What I have concluded after 30 years of intense sadhana is that, except for the GIFTED ONES like Ramana, the sadhana must happen on all of the 4 foundations of mindfulness as well as any other meditation techniques that one practices. See the Net or previous posts if you cant recall what they are. No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 - Rob Sacks Realization Sunday, August 07, 2005 5:14 PM RE: Following the rules I hope.. corrected Hi Alton, > Rob, am I being presumptuous about you not > paying much or practically no attention to > diet and exercise? I'm deliberate about diet but don't get much exercise. When I was younger I exercised compulsively, spending 15 hours a week at bodybuilding gyms. My diet now is low-fat, high anti-oxidant, low glycemic index. I eat a lot of fruits, nuts, skim dairy products, fish, shellfish. No concentrated fats except olive oil and fish oil. I don't eat mammals or birds or starchy stuff. Back in my bodybuilding days I was on high-protein, close-to-zero fat diets. My cholesterol back then tested at 112. This reminds me that several years ago I experimented to see if there was any truth to the traditional idea that certain foods promote sattvic states of mind, others tamasic, etc. I couldn't detect any effect, except that eating lots of carbs causes sleepiness. Regards, Rob Realization [Realization ] On Behalf Of Alton Slater Sunday, August 07, 2005 4:36 PM REALIZATION, ROB'S Following the rules I hope.. corrected Dear Rob. Michael, Matt, Judy and everyone else in the universe that wastes time reading my posts. What I have concluded after 30 years of intense sadhana is that, except for the GIFTED ONES like Ramana, the sadhana must happen on all of the 4 foundations of mindfulness as well as any other meditation techniques that one practices. See the Net or previous posts if you cant recall what they are. No<<<<<<<<<<< This guy at the Buddhist Vipassana sitting tonight, who was a long time Ananda Marga meditation guy also said that when he started to eat fish he did not notice any difference. I have noticed that during the periods that I reneged on my vows and ate flesh, my strength was better but not my endurance. I also have more mental power for meditation when eating moderate amounts of flesh, but I hope I wont do it anymore because I believe it is wrong to kill other higher sentient beings. We do kill a lot of fleas each day combing them off our kitty, but I have to live with that because we couldn't with many flea bites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Hi Alton, I've been a vegetarian at various times of my life and I never noticed any effect on my state of mind. Maybe that's because I don't eat a lot of meat at other times. My previous message said I eat a lot of fish but come to think of it, I only eat about three cans of tuna and a couple of octopus tentacles a week, or the equivalent. (There's a great Cypriot restaurant a couple of blocks away that accounts for the octopus.) It's been decades since I ate red meat. On the moral side, I agree with you completely, it's better not to eat animals. Unfortunately, like you said, we feel stronger when eating flesh. I think that's because it's difficult to replace all the nutrients in meat with plant food. Biologically we are carnivores, or partly carnivorous, through no fault of our own. One of my close relatives comes from a family where all the men on his father's side are 6' 4 " or taller. He was a vegetarian during his growth-spurt years and ended up at a full height of about 5' 9 " . His grown-up sister, who wasn't a vegetarian, makes him look small. I think this shows the difficulty of replacing meat-nutrients with plant food. This isn't necessarily a problem for those of us who are finished growing, but it's something to think about. Regards, Rob Realization [Realization ] On Behalf Of Alton Slater Monday, August 08, 2005 3:25 AM Realization Re: Following the rules I hope.. corrected No<<<<<<<<<<< This guy at the Buddhist Vipassana sitting tonight, who was a long time Ananda Marga meditation guy also said that when he started to eat fish he did not notice any difference. I have noticed that during the periods that I reneged on my vows and ate flesh, my strength was better but not my endurance. I also have more mental power for meditation when eating moderate amounts of flesh, but I hope I wont do it anymore because I believe it is wrong to kill other higher sentient beings. We do kill a lot of fleas each day combing them off our kitty, but I have to live with that because we couldn't with many flea bites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Dear Alton THIRTY YEARS OF INTENSIVE SADHANA year do not count only your honesty to yourself and full trust in GD surely you know theoretically what COMPLETE SURRENDER means this is what you should try to understand and to put in practice fullpoint and to recognize that we all are only tools or and dreams in our GD because only GD exists and nothing else fullpoint all this is clearly stated in the " messages " of our beloved SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI what else is needed besides gives our your best in following this example i f this is what you really want it seems as if you are playing with this wisdom like a little brave stubborn child in the sand building castels along the shore and destoying them afterwards invest your energy and " love " in yourself so that this one day becomes REALLY L O V E thas what Ramana radiates in respect and in love in GD yours sincerely why i am writing this? enough is enough the falseness and the emptiness of so many socalled seekers is unbelievable its a matter of fact we all have to accept but if this type of SODOM AND GOMORRHA now taking root in socalled spirituality we all have to be aware of this poison in love in GD michael bindel On 8/7/05, Alton Slater <unbound wrote: > > > > Dear Rob. Michael, Matt, Judy and everyone else in > the universe that wastes time reading my posts. > > What I have concluded after 30 years of intense sadhana is that, except > for the GIFTED ONES like Ramana, the sadhana must happen on all of the 4 > foundations of mindfulness as well as any other meditation techniques that > one practices. See the Net or previous posts if you cant recall what they > are. > > Not only that, but also diet and exercise has to be concentrated on or the > psyche gets bogged down with negative mental states caused by the functions > of the body going out of whack. > > I proffer that Rob would have been Realized many years ago if the universe > gave him dietary and exercise mediums. Rob, am I being presumptuous about > you not paying much or practically no attention to diet and exercise? > > Every so often we are impressed when we meet someone that is on their last > legs and still radiates joyfulness. However in this poster's view, more than > a moiety of other seekers have to fight off negative mental states that put > a damper on their sadhana. > > Do you agree of disagree with the aforesaid? > > If this post too is inappropriate for this group lostnfoundation will > become a lurker waiting for someone to post something here. > > As far on my own sadhana goes, I am pleased and optimistic that I am on > the right track to not only wipe out my reactive mind clean, but also > becoming one with the Divinity. If I did not notice progress I would quickly > quit the QUEST. > > > Love, > Alton > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Dear Michael, > if this is what you really want Heh. That's the big question, isn't it. Mail groups attract people who like to talk about realization more than they like to make efforts. Regards, Rob Realization [Realization ] On Behalf Of michael bindel Monday, August 08, 2005 5:29 AM Realization Re: Following the rules I hope.. corrected Dear Alton THIRTY YEARS OF INTENSIVE SADHANA year do not count only your honesty to yourself and full trust in GD surely you know theo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Dear Michael: You talking about God to me is like saying there is a man in the sky that makes everything work. It is completely foreign to anything I can call TRUTH. Also the same goes for surrender. Groupies surrender to rock stars and are willing to do anything they say. Surrender is for those who don't want to train enough to develop a powerful mind to have the QUIET AND BLISS. I am not a beggar and will never be one. That does not mean that I would tell anyone else what to do, because whatever role they are acting out they deserve some award like the academy award for acting. Just do whatever you do and play your roles to the max. Ramana is great but he is dead and no longer can give TRANSMISSIONS. His devotees are groveling in the dirt now. Find a living guru who gives transmissions, please!!!!!!!!! Michael you would be happier if you worried about yourSELF. Loving kindness blessings, Alton Dear Alton THIRTY YEARS OF INTENSIVE SADHANA year do not count only your honesty to yourself and full trust in GD surely you know theoretically what COMPLETE SURRENDER means this is what you should try to understand and to put in practice fullpoint and to recognize that we all are only tools or and dreams in our GD because only GD exists and nothing else fullpoint all this is clearly stated in the " messages " of our beloved SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI what else is needed besides gives our your best in following this example i f this is what you really want it seems as if you are playing with this wisdom like a little brave stubborn child in the sand building castels along the shore and destoying them afterwards invest your energy and " love " in yourself so that this one day becomes REALLY L O V E thas what Ramana radiates in respect and in love in GD yours sincerely why i am writing this? enough is enough the falseness and the emptiness of so many socalled seekers is unbelievable its a matter of fact we all have to accept but if this type of SODOM AND GOMORRHA now taking root in socalled spirituality we all have to be aware of this poison in love in GD michael bindel On 8/7/05, Alton Slater <unbound wrote: > > > > Dear Rob. Michael, Matt, Judy and everyone else in > the universe that wastes time reading my posts. > > What I have concluded after 30 years of intense sadhana is that, except > for the GIFTED ONES like Ramana, the sadhana must happen on all of the 4 > foundations of mindfulness as well as any other meditation techniques that > one practices. See the Net or previous posts if you cant recall what they > are. > > Not only that, but also diet and exercise has to be concentrated on or the > psyche gets bogged down with negative mental states caused by the functions > of the body going out of whack. > > I proffer that Rob would have been Realized many years ago if the universe > gave him dietary and exercise mediums. Rob, am I being presumptuous about > you not paying much or practically no attention to diet and exercise? > > Every so often we are impressed when we meet someone that is on their last > legs and still radiates joyfulness. However in this poster's view, more than > a moiety of other seekers have to fight off negative mental states that put > a damper on their sadhana. > > Do you agree of disagree with the aforesaid? > > If this post too is inappropriate for this group lostnfoundation will > become a lurker waiting for someone to post something here. > > As far on my own sadhana goes, I am pleased and optimistic that I am on > the right track to not only wipe out my reactive mind clean, but also > becoming one with the Divinity. If I did not notice progress I would quickly > quit the QUEST. > > > Love, > Alton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Dear Michael: Did you guru advise calling what other people do STUPID? You may be able to center in the Self but what good is it if you cling and condemn and are not aware of your stimulus response reactions. Love, Alton Dear Rob Dear Alton of course taking care what we eat and exercising is necessary but here too Ramana gave us the best example modesty sattvic food walking of course not stupid jogging and ongoing trying to be centered on the SELF as better and more honest we are to ourself the better it works tested it works in love in GD michael bindel On 8/8/05, Rob Sacks <editor wrote: > > Hi Alton, > > I've been a vegetarian at various times of my life and I > never noticed any effect on my state of mind. Maybe that's > because I don't eat a lot of meat at other times. My > previous message said I eat a lot of fish but come to think > of it, I only eat about three cans of tuna and a couple of > octopus tentacles a week, or the equivalent. (There's a > great Cypriot restaurant a couple of blocks away that > accounts for the octopus.) It's been decades since I ate red > meat. > > On the moral side, I agree with you completely, it's better > not to eat animals. Unfortunately, like you said, we feel > stronger when eating flesh. I think that's because it's > difficult to replace all the nutrients in meat with plant > food. Biologically we are carnivores, or partly > carnivorous, through no fault of our own. One of my close > relatives comes from a family where all the men on his > father's side are 6' 4 " or taller. He was a vegetarian > during his growth-spurt years and ended up at a full height > of about 5' 9 " . His grown-up sister, who wasn't a > vegetarian, makes him look small. I think this shows the > difficulty of replacing meat-nutrients with plant food. > This isn't necessarily a problem for those of us who are > finished growing, but it's something to think about. > > Regards, > > Rob > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Dear Michael, > if this is what you really want Heh. That's the big question, isn't it. Mail groups attract people who like to talk about realization more than they like to make efforts. Regards, Rob Dear Rob: IMHO that is the wisest observation you have make so far, to my knowledge, but you know that those who cant make the effort were not given what it takes to make that effort and they seem to have fun on the groups. I do too but I know it is counter productive to what I am working for. The successor to one of the Masters that initiated me, wont let any devotees on the Net. Of course for business reasons I am sure it is waved. I think he is smart because we both have observed what goes on in the groups. Love, Alton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Dear Alton, > ...but you know that those who cant make the effort... In my opinion, there are no such people. If you want to make the effort, you can. The only reason why people think they can't is because they don't want to. Saying " can't " is a way of being dishonest with ourselves. > ...and they seem to have fun on the groups. That's fine. Fun is good. The only problem is when people imagine that talking about realization is going to get them anywhere. Regards, Rob Realization [Realization ] On Behalf Of Alton Slater Monday, August 08, 2005 2:47 PM Realization Re: Following the rules I hope.. corrected IMHO that is the wisest observation you have make so far, to my knowledge, but you know that those who cant make the effort were not given what it takes to make that effort and they seem to have fun on the groups. I do too but I know it is counter productive to what I am working for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Five foot 8 in the perfect height according to the macrobiotics. Taller and there are more health problems and that is exactly what is going to crash our healthcare system in the U.S. My 95 year old mom is 95 and If I am as vital as her at 75 I would be pleased. She is only 5 feet tall or less, so who says that taller is better. It is plain wrong to kill another animal to eat it and now I just wont do it even with my attachments to my family. The Buddhists say it is ok to eat flesh as long as you don't kill yourself. I say it is worse to have someone take on the karma that you would have had it you did the killing yourself. Last night at our Vipassana meditation I asked this guy who was a initiate of Anadamurti and lived at his ashram and received many transmission from him. Well he is now violating his vows and eating fish. I asked him if it bothers him and he said no. Well it bothers me that I cant survive without eggs and ate animals the last year until I realized it is better to die that do that. Love, Alton - Rob Sacks Realization Sunday, August 07, 2005 10:06 PM RE: Following the rules I hope.. corrected Hi Alton, I've been a vegetarian at various times of my life and I never noticed any effect on my state of mind. Maybe that's because I don't eat a lot of meat at other times. My previous message said I eat a lot of fish but come to think of it, I only eat about three cans of tuna and a couple of octopus tentacles a week, or the equivalent. (There's a great Cypriot restaurant a couple of blocks away that accounts for the octopus.) It's been decades since I ate red meat. On the moral side, I agree with you completely, it's better not to eat animals. Unfortunately, like you said, we feel stronger when eating flesh. I think that's because it's difficult to replace all the nutrients in meat with plant food. Biologically we are carnivores, or partly carnivorous, through no fault of our own. One of my close relatives comes from a family where all the men on his father's side are 6' 4 " or taller. He was a vegetarian during his growth-spurt years and ended up at a full height of about 5' 9 " . His grown-up sister, who wasn't a vegetarian, makes him look small. I think this shows the difficulty of replacing meat-nutrients with plant food. This isn't necessarily a problem for those of us who are finished growing, but it's something to think about. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 Hi Alton, > I used to be hard of those who don't do > meditation until I realized that they just > cant take the stress when heavy duty stuff > bubbles up into the conscious from that > which has been hidden from their view. That hadn't occurred to me. I don't think I've heard of that before. But I can see that it must be true because after all, there are people who find their thoughts to be intolerable even without meditation. You are surely right that meditation could exacerbate this problem. A good friend of mine hears a voice in her head that tells her to steal other people's babies. She takes a drug that stops the voice completely. I suppose she is diagnosed as schizophrenic or something along those lines. I imagine it could be disastrous if she tried to meditate. Do you get the sense that the people you are thinking of, who have this problem, might benefit from that sort of drug? Do they self-medicate? Are they alchoholics? Do they exhibit any signs of serious mental illness? Any of those things might suggest that they have this problem (intolerable thoughts) all the time, not only when the meditate. Regards, Rob Realization [Realization ] On Behalf Of Alton Slater Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:43 AM Realization Re: Following the rules I hope.. corrected Dear Rob: I used to be hard of those who don't do meditation until I realized that they just cant take the stress when heavy duty stuff bubbles up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 Dear Alton, > Five foot 8 in the perfect height according to > the macrobiotics. Taller and there are more > health problems and that is exactly what is > going to crash our healthcare system in the U.S. No comment. > It is plain wrong to kill another animal > to eat it and now I just wont do it even > with my attachments to my family. I admire you for living up to your moral convictions. > The Buddhists say it is ok to eat flesh as > long as you don't kill yourself. This has always seemed silly to me. How can it be wrong to kill but right to eat? Either both are wrong or both are right. Then these Buddhists (not all Buddhists, by the way) have to go further and argue that when you order meat in a restaurant, you aren't complicit in the animal's death because you didn't encourage the butcher. There's a kind of foolish denial in that line of reasoning. > Well it bothers me that I cant survive without eggs. What's wrong with eating eggs? They aren't fertilized. They aren't animals. They were never sentient. Eating eggs doesn't hurt anything. Regards, Rob Realization [Realization ] On Behalf Of Alton Slater Monday, August 08, 2005 11:38 PM Realization Re: Following the rules I hope.. corrected Five foot 8 in the perfect height according to the macrobiotics. Taller and there are more health problems and that is exactly what is going to crash our healthcare system in the U.S. My 95 year old mom is 95 and If I am as vital as her at 75 I would be pleased. She is only 5 feet tall or less, so who says that taller is better. It is plain wrong to kill another animal to eat it and now I just wont do it even with my attachments to my family. The Buddhists say it is ok to eat flesh as long as you don't kill yourself. I say it is worse to have someone take on the karma that you would have had it you did the killing yourself. Last night at our Vipassana meditation I asked this guy who was a initiate of Anadamurti and lived at his ashram and received many transmission from him. Well he is now violating his vows and eating fish. I asked him if it bothers him and he said no. Well it bothers me that I cant survive without eggs and ate animals the last year until I realized it is better to die that do that. Love, Alton - Rob Sacks Realization Sunday, August 07, 2005 10:06 PM RE: Following the rules I hope.. corrected Hi Alton, I've been a vegetarian at various times of my life and I never noticed any effect on my state of mind. Maybe that's because I don't eat a lot of meat at other times. My previous message said I eat a lot of fish but come to think of it, I only eat about three cans of tuna and a couple of octopus tentacles a week, or the equivalent. (There's a great Cypriot restaurant a couple of blocks away that accounts for the octopus.) It's been decades since I ate red meat. On the moral side, I agree with you completely, it's better not to eat animals. Unfortunately, like you said, we feel stronger when eating flesh. I think that's because it's difficult to replace all the nutrients in meat with plant food. Biologically we are carnivores, or partly carnivorous, through no fault of our own. One of my close relatives comes from a family where all the men on his father's side are 6' 4 " or taller. He was a vegetarian during his growth-spurt years and ended up at a full height of about 5' 9 " . His grown-up sister, who wasn't a vegetarian, makes him look small. I think this shows the difficulty of replacing meat-nutrients with plant food. This isn't necessarily a problem for those of us who are finished growing, but it's something to think about. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 Dear Rob: Since you removed the ability to use colors it works better to reply on top. This Buddhist monk that we used to meditate with and is an lacto ovo vegetarian sees red when the Tibetans say that they are releasing souls, so it is ok to eat animals. There is nothing wrong with eating eggs except that I took vows from 5 Masters not to eat them. Also, they really don't agree with me and raise my cholesterol. So I continue to be trapped with my Uranus in the 6th house of diet and health. That means I will have sudden changes in the area of health. All this motivates me to get to the stage where I don't have anymore rebirths. If I had a body like my mom I probably would never have been interested in spirituality. Aloha, Alton Dear Alton, > Five foot 8 in the perfect height according to > the macrobiotics. Taller and there are more > health problems and that is exactly what is > going to crash our healthcare system in the U.S. No comment. > It is plain wrong to kill another animal > to eat it and now I just wont do it even > with my attachments to my family. I admire you for living up to your moral convictions. > The Buddhists say it is ok to eat flesh as > long as you don't kill yourself. This has always seemed silly to me. How can it be wrong to kill but right to eat? Either both are wrong or both are right. Then these Buddhists (not all Buddhists, by the way) have to go further and argue that when you order meat in a restaurant, you aren't complicit in the animal's death because you didn't encourage the butcher. There's a kind of foolish denial in that line of reasoning. > Well it bothers me that I cant survive without eggs. What's wrong with eating eggs? They aren't fertilized. They aren't animals. They were never sentient. Eating eggs doesn't hurt anything. Regards, Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 Dear Alton, Headache on one side with nausea is almost certainly a migraine. There's a really excellent drug for migraine called Imitrex. It has no side effects and it's not a narcotic. It just stops the whole migraine experience including the pain and nausea. I'm glad you took the codeine but I bet you'd like Imitrex a lot better. Migraines are usually triggered by physical things including certain foods including yogurt, chocolate, onions, oranges, soy sauce -- you can find lists on the web. I hope you feel better soon. Your friend, Rob Realization [Realization ] On Behalf Of Alton Slater Tuesday, August 09, 2005 2:55 AM Realization Re: Following the rules I hope.. corrected This very moment I am going through some illness that I used to get almost every two months. A headache on the left side and nausea. I have conquered it mostly with diet so it does not happen very often. I used to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 > The codeine is working so I am feeling better now. Good. Your poor friend. > one must develop mindfulness so that one can be > aware of when the minds wanders. Yes I understand. I spent several years dealing with this. I discovered two ways to prevent the mind from wandering. But then I realized that there was a better way to approach the whole thing. Instead of worrying about the mind wandering, it was more useful to notice the state of mind at the moment when the wandering is noticed. The effortless state of knowing which happens naturally at that moment is the desired state for sadhana. I began looking forward to wandering so there would be another opportunity to observe that state so I could notice what it was like and try to recreate it voluntarily. I think that moment of returning to your senses is what the old books mean when they say " notice the moment between two thoughts. " Regards, Rob Realization [Realization ] On Behalf Of Alton Slater Tuesday, August 09, 2005 3:17 AM Realization Re: Following the rules I hope.. corrected Thanks Rob: I know about that drug and the friend who we were going to visit uses it, but the authorities have taken it off their list so she will have to suffer terribly for many hours the next time she had one. She is incarcerated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Dear Rob: > one must develop mindfulness so that one can be > aware of when the minds wanders. Yes I understand. I spent several years dealing with this. I discovered two ways to prevent the mind from wandering. But then I realized that there was a better way to approach the whole thing. Instead of worrying about the mind wandering, it was more useful to notice the state of mind at the moment when the wandering is noticed. The effortless state of knowing which happens naturally at that moment is the desired state for sadhana. I began looking forward to wandering so there would be another opportunity to observe that state so I could notice what it was like and try to recreate it voluntarily.<<<<< This is interesting. " Instead of worrying about the mind wandering, it was more useful to notice the state of mind at the moment when the wandering is noticed. " Can you provide more details about the above statement. How many different states have you noticed? What are they? What exactly happens when you notice those states of mind? We watched Joseph Campbell on PBS tonight so most of my computer time is gone. Metta, Alton I think that moment of returning to your senses is what the old books mean when they say " notice the moment between two thoughts. " Regards, Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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