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good question

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Clifford Shack<cliff_shack

Realization <Realization >

Thursday, January 03, 2008 2:56 PM

Re: When Will You Experience the Self?

 

 

Then who replied to the post?

 

Realization <Realization >, " orva

schrock " <otsclu wrote:

>

> No story,

> No name,

> No ego,

> No " me, me, me..??? "

>

> -

> Cliff Shack<cliff_shack<cliff_shack>

> To:

Realization <Realization ><Realizati\

on <Realization >>

> Thursday, January 03, 2008 2:42 PM

> Re: Re: When Will You Experience the Self?

>

>

> Story. The fascinating story of " Orva Schrock " .Story is past.

Unreal. Self is real. What you are is here. " Orva Schrock " is not

here. Loose the story. What remains?

>

> orva schrock <otsclu<otsclu> wrote: ego?

> -

> Clifford

Shack<cliff_shack<cliff_shack>

> To:

Realization <Realization%40><Realiza\

tion <Realization%40>><mailto

:Realization <Realization%40><Realiz\

ation%40>>

> Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:28 AM

> Re: When Will You Experience the Self?

>

> Orva,

>

> I believe that there is something else, something immovable, that

is

> blocking your " spiritual " progress. For $64,000 can you guess

what it

> is?

>

> Cliff

>

> --- In

Realization <Realization%40><Realiza\

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on%40>>, " orva schrock " <otsclu@> wrote:

> >

> > Judy, my friend. My advice is to listen very very closely to

Cliff.

> Get ready for a great trip.

> > -

> > Clifford Shack<cliff_shack@>

> > To:

>

Realization <Realization%40><Realiza\

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on%40><Realization%40>>

> > Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:25 PM

> > Re: When Will You Experience the Self?

> >

> >

> > You are the subject Your thoughts are the object.

> >

> > According to your logic....when you speak, you exist. When you

> are

> > silent, you cease to exist.

> >

> > Can that be true?

> >

> > Thought is just mind speech.

> >

> > When your mind is silent, you are still there. Where are you

> between

> > the thoughts in your mind. Do you disappear between thoughts.

If

> you

> > think slowly to your self:

> >

> > I.............Am...................Judy

> >

> > According to you you appeared three times and disappeared twice.

> >

> > Cliff

> >

> > --- In

Realization <Realization%40><Realiza\

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40><Realization%

40><Realization%

> 40>, judy <judyw1941@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Cliff, I would like to give the incorrect answer but is the

> only

> > answer

> > > I have to that question of who am I I would say that I am my

> > thoughts

> > > and as long as I have a mind to think with then I exist. When

> that

> > mind

> > > is gone or impaired, I no longer exist.

> > >

> > > Judy

> > > ---------

> > > Orva,

> > >

> > > Let me ask you a question. When you ask yourself, " Who Am

I? " ,

> what

> > do

> > > you notice remaining? Can you describe it in one word? If so,

> what

> > is

> > > the word? What remains?

> > >

> > > Cliff

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Judy,

 

I think you are confusing mind and self. Self is real. Mind is not

real. It vanishes when sought such as when you ask yourself " Who am

I? " As soon as you ask that question the mind disappears and what

remains is self. It works every time. Self is experienced before

thought. During thought. Between thouhts. And After thought.Thought

happens in an atmosphere of self. What all this realization stuff is

is when people come to realize that the intimacy of what they call

self is not a private intimate experience. It feels that way to be

sure. But that personal feeling of self is a public experience shared

by all and everything. Few understand this because it cannot be

communicated. No matter how you try to explain in words what self is

you will fall short. Words can never replace the experience of self.

Can they? Try and explain what your self feels like. You can try but

explanations fall short don't they?

 

Realization is not acheiving anything. It is more of a loosing than

an achieving. You loose the notion that you are a separate being.

 

We get confused because we consider our bodies as our selves. But our

bodies dissapate just our thoughts do. They just take a little

longer. Ramana says that our bodies are actually thoughts. Aging is

the process where a thought-body vanishes. If we could see thoughts

they would probably appear like a body being born, growing to

maturity and vanishing all in an instant. But we can't see thoughts.

We can't see sound either. most of us anyway. You have to be on a

really pure level for that. But this is not a mysticism group so

let's stick to the topic of realization.

 

To summarize. Thoughts happen in the ocean of self. Not your self or

my self. There are no two selves. There is only one self.

 

Realization, Judy, is another word for insanity. Sanity follows the

majority. If most people are sleep-walking their lives away. One who

is fully awake is considered insane. If there comes a time when most

will be self-realized then those who consider themselves separate

beings will be the insane ones and locked away in Selfish

Hospitals.

 

 

Realization , judy <judyw1941 wrote:

>

> Cliff, I would like to give the incorrect answer but is the only

answer

> I have to that question of who am I. I would say that I am my

thoughts

> and as long as I have a mind to think with then I exist. When that

mind

> is gone or impaired, I no longer exist.

>

> Judy

> ---------

> Orva,

>

> Let me ask you a question. When you ask yourself, " Who Am I? " , what

do

> you notice remaining? Can you describe it in one word? If so, what

is

> the word? What remains?

>

> Cliff

>

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