Guest guest Posted May 29, 2003 Report Share Posted May 29, 2003 I Noumenon, am The Cognizer. All Manifestation is My Cognition. -Bill kim ja nyun [kjn]Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:13 PMNisargadatta Subject: Who am I? Who am I?Noumenally I am the unborn, phenomenally I am everything.I, noumenon, am all the 'functioning' in consciousness. The dreamer is the subjective aspect of consciousness while all manifestation (the cognizer and the cognized) is its objective aspect.**If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 on 5/29/03 1:36 PM, kim ja nyun at kjn wrote: > I, Noumenon, am the awareness, not the cognizer. > The cognizer and the cognized are arisen by the consciousness. > So, All Manifestation is the consciousness, the universal consciousness. > But the consciousnes or the universal consciousness is appeared from > " I(Noumenon) " . > I, Noumenon, am only the witness. Only in the mind does all this arise. In advaita, no differences. All is the Self. The ego makes the differences. No-u-me-no-n.....n? ))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 So when you are stripped of all knowing... then what? The Ring of Truth, Liquid in the Heart, Shines in every vibration. kim ja nyun [kjn]Thursday, May 29, 2003 4:37 PMNisargadatta Subject: Re: Who am I? I, Noumenon, am the awareness, not the cognizer. The cognizer and the cognized are arisen by the consciousness. So, All Manifestation is the consciousness, the universal consciousness. But the consciousnes or the universal consciousness is appeared from "I(Noumenon)". I, Noumenon, am only the witness. - Bill Rishel Nisargadatta Thursday, May 29, 2003 6:38 PM RE: Who am I? I Noumenon, am The Cognizer. All Manifestation is My Cognition. -Bill kim ja nyun [kjn]Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:13 PMNisargadatta Subject: Who am I? Who am I?Noumenally I am the unborn, phenomenally I am everything.I, noumenon, am all the 'functioning' in consciousness. The dreamer is the subjective aspect of consciousness while all manifestation (the cognizer and the cognized) is its objective aspect.**If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 If consciousness is not there the Absolute cannot know Itself - There is nothing but the Absolute - therefore no witnessing. the Witness spontaneously arises when(or where) there is the consciousness. 'Phenomenal I(Consciousness)' arises with the big-bang(what we call in physics),notional though it be, 'Noumenal I(Absolute)' is always present as the witness in this world.When the universe disappears, the Consciousness also disappears;but the Absolute remains(without witness) - IT(Absolute) is unaware of itself without the Consciousness.- Bill Rishel Nisargadatta Friday, May 30, 2003 1:28 PMRE: Who am I?But even the Witness eventually dissolves,Beyond, Beyond, Beyond. For don't you see the inherent Dividea Witness must always contain? So let that Witness dissolve... into What? Who knows?Who cares? When you Wake,the Dance will begin! -Billkim ja nyun [kjn]Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:29 PMNisargadatta Subject: Re: Who am I?Yes, All is the Self.I only witness the mind(or the ego) makes the difference.Making the difference is the mind's game.I only witness the game also, even the Self.I am "I" - shawn Nisargadatta Friday, May 30, 2003 10:55 AMRe: Who am I?on 5/29/03 1:36 PM, kim ja nyun at kjn wrote:> I, Noumenon, am the awareness, not the cognizer.> The cognizer and the cognized are arisen by the consciousness.> So, All Manifestation is the consciousness, the universal consciousness.> But the consciousnes or the universal consciousness is appeared from> "I(Noumenon)".> I, Noumenon, am only the witness.Only in the mind does all this arise. In advaita, no differences. All is theSelf. The ego makes the differences.No-u-me-no-n.....n?))))))Shawn**If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 In a message dated 5/30/2003 4:19:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, plexus writes: If consciousness is not there the Absolute cannot know Itself - This is "logic", not *knowing*... How would you know it's only logic? Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 You are....simple. Justification irrelevant, doubt inconcievable...and Explanation unnecessary.....Observe nature and you will learn...Philosophy unwaranted. You are God. End of story. http://mobile..au - Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 Think you're bein' cute don't ya Pete? : ) Because it's a *reasoned argument*. If... then... Knowing doesn't pursuade by reason. Knowing just reflects the gleam of Truth. If "The Absolute cannot know itself", it is not by reasoning that that is realized from the premise "Consciousness is not there". What can be said about the Absolute except *from* the Absolute? Assuming we know what we mean by 'Absolute'. -Bill Pedsie2 [Pedsie2]Friday, May 30, 2003 7:29 AMNisargadatta Subject: Re: Who am I?In a message dated 5/30/2003 4:19:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, plexus writes: If consciousness is not there the Absolute cannot know Itself -This is "logic", not *knowing*... How would you know it's only logic?Pete **If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 Very interesting Adan. I've never thought of desire that way... Intuitively it makes sense but... Could you elaborate? -Bill Adan Williams [adanwill] Saturday, May 31, 2003 2:54 AM Nisargadatta RE: Who am I? >>philosophy's highest attainment is to eliminate itself. Same with desire, which seeks its own annihilation. --- Bill Rishel <plexus wrote: > Well, my Good Man! > > How delightful! > > Yes. > > Except philosoply occasionally needed as the > splinter to remove a splinter. > > I.e., philosophy's highest attainment is to > eliminate itself. > > -Bill > > > > Good Man [goodman_coming] > Friday, May 30, 2003 8:10 AM > Nisargadatta > Re: Who am I? > > > You are....simple. Justification irrelevant, doubt > inconcievable...and Explanation > unnecessary.....Observe nature and you will > learn...Philosophy unwaranted. You are God. End of > story. > > http://mobile..au - Mobile > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra > or Vodafone mobile. > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to > change your > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to > Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " > for the Nisargadatta > group and click on Save Changes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 Desire, strong or otherwise, is a movement in consciosness, a wave or an upheaval of sorts, however gross or subtle, that, when satisfied, comes to rest in its own extinction. Our sexual desire leads to courtship; successful courtship leads to sex; sex consummated leads to orgasmic bliss; and bliss is desire extinguished. Or, if you're into chocolate cake, it's even simpler. Desire satisfied is desire extinguished. Adan --- elwells_2003 <elizabethwells8 wrote: > Philosophy's highest attainment > is to eliminate itself. > > Bill > > ---------------- > Same with (strong) desire, > which seeks it's own annihilation. > > Adan > > ------------------- > > Very interesting Adan. > I've never thought of desire > that way... > > Intuitively it makes sense > but.... > > Could you elaborate? > > Bill > > -------------------- > > Sure. Be happy to. > > Screw this endless splinters removing splinters > S**t for kindergardeners! > > Go for the boulder(s)! > > El > > ------------------- > > ===== The most meaningful gift we will ever receive is the one we open from the inside out. A wise man has said: " The very best kept secrets are those we keep from ourselves. " Look within your heart. Find yourself out. Wake up from your dream and come true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 So simple, I see. I was thinking you meant something like its own " complete " extinction, but I guess that is undefinable and meaningless anyway. Thanks, bill Adan Williams [adanwill] Saturday, May 31, 2003 12:19 PM Nisargadatta Re: Re: Who am I? Desire, strong or otherwise, is a movement in consciosness, a wave or an upheaval of sorts, however gross or subtle, that, when satisfied, comes to rest in its own extinction. Our sexual desire leads to courtship; successful courtship leads to sex; sex consummated leads to orgasmic bliss; and bliss is desire extinguished. Or, if you're into chocolate cake, it's even simpler. Desire satisfied is desire extinguished. Adan --- elwells_2003 <elizabethwells8 wrote: > Philosophy's highest attainment > is to eliminate itself. > > Bill > > ---------------- > Same with (strong) desire, > which seeks it's own annihilation. > > Adan > > ------------------- > > Very interesting Adan. > I've never thought of desire > that way... > > Intuitively it makes sense > but.... > > Could you elaborate? > > Bill > > -------------------- > > Sure. Be happy to. > > Screw this endless splinters removing splinters > S**t for kindergardeners! > > Go for the boulder(s)! > > El > > ------------------- > > ===== The most meaningful gift we will ever receive is the one we open from the inside out. A wise man has said: " The very best kept secrets are those we keep from ourselves. " Look within your heart. Find yourself out. Wake up from your dream and come true. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 Nisargadatta , Adan Williams <adanwill> wrote: > Right. I wasn't suggesting the cessation of all > desiring, but that a " single " desire arises only > for the sake of being satisfied, and, once it is > satisfied - it is no more. Of course there will > be more and more desires arising in succession, > but each will follow the same course. > > Adan Yes. The satisfaction adheres in desire's (temporary) cessation, rather than possession of the desired object. So, rather than 'taste of bliss,' perhaps 'taste of equanimity'? diana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> wrote: > Give up all questions except one: 'Who am I?' > > When the answer adds up to Zero, nothing, then I am Everything. > > -- the wisdom of thoughts How does the answer add up to Zero, nothing? What happens after the answer adds up to Zero, nothing, and I am Everything; when I am Everything what goes on, what is done? Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> wrote: > > Give up all questions except one: 'Who am I?' > > > > When the answer adds up to Zero, nothing, then I am Everything. > > > > -- the wisdom of thoughts > > > How does the answer add up to Zero, nothing? > > What happens after the answer adds up to Zero, nothing, and I am > Everything; when I am Everything what goes on, what is done? > > Lewis Dear Lewis: What goes on is exactly what is going on now: nothing. What were you before you were conceived in the womb? Who were you, then, Lewis? fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> wrote: > > > Give up all questions except one: 'Who am I?' > > > > > > When the answer adds up to Zero, nothing, then I am Everything. > > > > > > -- the wisdom of thoughts > > > > > > How does the answer add up to Zero, nothing? > > > > What happens after the answer adds up to Zero, nothing, and I am > > Everything; when I am Everything what goes on, what is done? > > > > Lewis > Dear Lewis: > > What goes on is exactly what is going on now: nothing. What were you > before you were conceived in the womb? Who were you, then, Lewis? > > fuzzie The question is answered clearly - What goes on is exactly what is going on now: nothing. fuzzie: What were you before you were conceived in the womb? Lewis: There are no words. fuzzie: Who were you, then, Lewis? Lewis: There are no words. Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> > wrote: > > > > Give up all questions except one: 'Who am I?' > > > > > > > > When the answer adds up to Zero, nothing, then I am Everything. > > > > > > > > -- the wisdom of thoughts > > > > > > > > > How does the answer add up to Zero, nothing? > > > > > > What happens after the answer adds up to Zero, nothing, and I am > > > Everything; when I am Everything what goes on, what is done? > > > > > > Lewis > > > > Dear Lewis: > > > > What goes on is exactly what is going on now: nothing. What were you > > before you were conceived in the womb? Who were you, then, Lewis? > > > > fuzzie > > > > The question is answered clearly - What goes on is exactly what is > going on now: nothing. > > fuzzie: What were you before you were conceived in the womb? > > Lewis: There are no words. > > fuzzie: Who were you, then, Lewis? > > Lewis: There are no words. > > > Lewis The same " you " that was then is the same " you " that is now. fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin@e...> > > wrote: > > > > > Give up all questions except one: 'Who am I?' > > > > > > > > > > When the answer adds up to Zero, nothing, then I am Everything. > > > > > > > > > > -- the wisdom of thoughts > > > > > > > > > > > > How does the answer add up to Zero, nothing? > > > > > > > > What happens after the answer adds up to Zero, nothing, and I am > > > > Everything; when I am Everything what goes on, what is done? > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > > > > Dear Lewis: > > > > > > What goes on is exactly what is going on now: nothing. What were you > > > before you were conceived in the womb? Who were you, then, Lewis? > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > The question is answered clearly - What goes on is exactly what is > > going on now: nothing. > > > > fuzzie: What were you before you were conceived in the womb? > > > > Lewis: There are no words. > > > > fuzzie: Who were you, then, Lewis? > > > > Lewis: There are no words. > > > > > > Lewis > > The same " you " that was then is the same " you " that is now. > > > > fuzzie If that answer is preferred, you are can know it, have it or believe it. Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Who Am I? Who am I is the relevant question. Am I my fingernails? No. Take them away. I can still live. Am I my hair? No. Take them away. I can still live. Am I my arms and legs? No, Take them away. I can still live. Am I my face? No. Much of it can be taken away and I can still live. Am I my teeth? No? Take them away. I can still live. And on and on until there comes a point when no more can be taken away and you will die. When you die there is no more question and no one to ask it. Do you think that when you die there still exists an I am? Is the sense of I am related to the body? Is there still a spirit or soul that continues to ask, who am I ? If there is no spirit or soul who is there to ask, who am I ? Is the I am all of human life that exists after your death? Is the I am all of life on the surface of the earth? Is the I am all of planetary and cosmic existence? Is the I am all of substance? Is the I am Infinite space? Is the I am all that is? Is the I am a process and activity that has no nam? Is who am I a question with an answer? When you stop asking the question, Have you realized the answer? For those who never asked the question, Are they living the answer? Larry Epston www.epston.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 " Hey, teacher! I forgot my pencil. Gimme' somthin' to write on, man! " - David Lee Roth " Silver " Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > Who Am I? > > Who am I is the relevant question. > Am I my fingernails? No. Take them away. I can still live. > Am I my hair? No. Take them away. I can still live. > Am I my arms and legs? No, Take them away. I can still live. > Am I my face? No. Much of it can be taken away and I can still live. > Am I my teeth? No? Take them away. I can still live. > And on and on until there comes a point when no more can be taken away > and you will die. > When you die there is no more question and no one to ask it. > Do you think that when you die there still exists an I am? > Is the sense of I am related to the body? > Is there still a spirit or soul that continues to ask, who am I ? > If there is no spirit or soul who is there to ask, who am I ? > Is the I am all of human life that exists after your death? > Is the I am all of life on the surface of the earth? > Is the I am all of planetary and cosmic existence? > Is the I am all of substance? > Is the I am Infinite space? > Is the I am all that is? > Is the I am a process and activity that has no nam? > Is who am I a question with an answer? > When you stop asking the question, > Have you realized the answer? > For those who never asked the question, > Are they living the answer? > > > Larry Epston > www.epston.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Hi Elvira, I'm a new member here myself... so speaking for myself... that's a clear yes... the i consciousness of myself... and the i consciousness of other selves... is the same in every regard... be it now conscious of self or not. Lulu Elvira Caldwell <elvira_caldwell wrote: Nisargadatta Elvira Caldwell <elvira_caldwell Sat, 29 Jul 2006 05:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Who am I? My name is Elvira Caldwell; age 32 ; divorced ; one child (boy) ; I live in Switzerland in a small town called Brüttisellen. My knowledge of Nisargadatta is rather limitted, so I am having to ask a few questions more then who I am, if I didn't answer that one already. )) As a new member of this group, I'm wondering if everyone uses the same definitions of I am, awareness and consciousness as Nisargadatta uses. As Anita Firely said in one of her talks years ago, " During the break, looking into each others' eyes, I realized that the same consciousness that I was looking at was looking at me. " That consciousness is to me the " I am " consciousness that Nisargadatta talks about, be it now aware of it or not. Agreed? Elvira Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " bindu " <binduau wrote: > > Who Am I? > > A Word un-uttered - a great joy!! > Ancient beyond days... forever! > > I am myriad - no image permanently reveals Me > nor any letter - scintillating I flash; > Like a shadow flitting, I am untouchable. > > No letter nor combination of sylable reveals Me! > Indeed even as a sound arises I become it - > I cannot be found as I am action itself! > > I appear as the conscious one in the mind .. > I myself do not name this and that; > nor do I understand this or that -- > I only enjoy raw and direct my own Being! > > I know nothing but who I am! I do not know anything else > nor do I ever acknowledge any other than I !! > I am eternal - The Infinite Conscious Self! > > All at once the mind falls into Me - > it stands mute, unable to report on Me! > with eyes wide open the body's eyes are filled up with Me! > > My Absolute shines out of everywhere as the solid-state > enjoyment of myself! but I do not know its name > nor ascribe it being other than myself! > > The body walks about as if insane or drunk incapable of naming Me! > The mind cannot comprehend Me ... who I am is written upon infinity > my name is my total being - it is the word of Me! > > I am flung out as existence into myself! > When I come into the awareness no mind can resist > no being is capable of Me - I am insurmountable! > > I am the indomitable Self, spoken of for aeons. > known by few - pointed at by many, written of seldom. > I do not have any limit, hence no form can encapsulate Me. > > The mind bathed in Me, is stupefied rendered empty and mute > it cannot report who I am! yet undeniably some great unfathomable > transcendent fills the mind in that hour! > > Named I am not; known I am not; my presence is cognized but I remain > unknown. > The drama of life, pleasure and pain. success and failure, life and > death - > are all the working out of my process - whereby again and again I re- > cognize! > > All that exists is my attribute; it is my nature! My -- consciousness! > I myself am something unimaginable - I am no mirrored image! > I am completely free of limitations of any idea, imagination or being! > > I am unmitigated endlessness -- my extension ... my extent is > incomprensible! > the limitation of language - the limitation of the sounds and > pictures > nay the limitation of the mind is due to it's own nature! > > Who? A great peel of laughter rings out as the flash of an exploding > star! > What description, what philosophy, what sect, path, religion or > imagination -- > What reflection, what conception -- what degree of super-conscient > mind ever knew Me! > > I in whom all these reflected refracted ideas of who I am have > appeared > have appeared simply due to my own nature! I do not do it, I do not > create it! > I did not act to cause it - it is my nature itself! > > Who Am I? I am a simple smile! a cheezy grin or a silly man -- > a great genius or an insane fool. I am a mother, a father, a stone! > I am That! I am -- I AM! > > Bodiless, full of being, full of bodies, full of existence, full of > my own Self! > I reject nothing of That Self! Always existing, forever flashing I AM > My Own Nature! > One day a mind may come to the threshold of Me - That one may fall in! > > When the mind is held mute, when the Will is in stasis, When the > descriptions are held in check > when acknowledgement of the existence of infinite being is known to > be truth due to the suspension of > ascription, attribution and apperception, when the attention is held > in full wakefullness to the mind's > inability to enunciate my name or my designation, then that mind will > merge with me. > > The mind will never know me no being will ever see me, it is merely > inherence, > recognition unspeakably sacred; it is holy; > The result is reported as the decent of grace and named as such by > the mind; > but it is incapable of description! > > The body wanders about as if disengaged from the mind's faculties - > it does not know! > Silly words these! Who can describe me to Myself!! > > Om Om Om Namahaa!! >I don't know who the hell I am--to quote and second U. G. K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bindu " <binduau@> wrote: > > > > Who Am I? > > > > A Word un-uttered - a great joy!! > > Ancient beyond days... forever! > > > > I am myriad - no image permanently reveals Me > > nor any letter - scintillating I flash; > > Like a shadow flitting, I am untouchable. > > > > No letter nor combination of sylable reveals Me! > > Indeed even as a sound arises I become it - > > I cannot be found as I am action itself! > > > > I appear as the conscious one in the mind .. > > I myself do not name this and that; > > nor do I understand this or that -- > > I only enjoy raw and direct my own Being! > > > > I know nothing but who I am! I do not know anything else > > nor do I ever acknowledge any other than I !! > > I am eternal - The Infinite Conscious Self! > > > > All at once the mind falls into Me - > > it stands mute, unable to report on Me! > > with eyes wide open the body's eyes are filled up with Me! > > > > My Absolute shines out of everywhere as the solid-state > > enjoyment of myself! but I do not know its name > > nor ascribe it being other than myself! > > > > The body walks about as if insane or drunk incapable of naming Me! > > The mind cannot comprehend Me ... who I am is written upon infinity > > my name is my total being - it is the word of Me! > > > > I am flung out as existence into myself! > > When I come into the awareness no mind can resist > > no being is capable of Me - I am insurmountable! > > > > I am the indomitable Self, spoken of for aeons. > > known by few - pointed at by many, written of seldom. > > I do not have any limit, hence no form can encapsulate Me. > > > > The mind bathed in Me, is stupefied rendered empty and mute > > it cannot report who I am! yet undeniably some great unfathomable > > transcendent fills the mind in that hour! > > > > Named I am not; known I am not; my presence is cognized but I > remain > > unknown. > > The drama of life, pleasure and pain. success and failure, life > and > > death - > > are all the working out of my process - whereby again and again I > re- > > cognize! > > > > All that exists is my attribute; it is my nature! My -- > consciousness! > > I myself am something unimaginable - I am no mirrored image! > > I am completely free of limitations of any idea, imagination or > being! > > > > I am unmitigated endlessness -- my extension ... my extent is > > incomprensible! > > the limitation of language - the limitation of the sounds and > > pictures > > nay the limitation of the mind is due to it's own nature! > > > > Who? A great peel of laughter rings out as the flash of an > exploding > > star! > > What description, what philosophy, what sect, path, religion or > > imagination -- > > What reflection, what conception -- what degree of super-conscient > > mind ever knew Me! > > > > I in whom all these reflected refracted ideas of who I am have > > appeared > > have appeared simply due to my own nature! I do not do it, I do > not > > create it! > > I did not act to cause it - it is my nature itself! > > > > Who Am I? I am a simple smile! a cheezy grin or a silly man -- > > a great genius or an insane fool. I am a mother, a father, a stone! > > I am That! I am -- I AM! > > > > Bodiless, full of being, full of bodies, full of existence, full > of > > my own Self! > > I reject nothing of That Self! Always existing, forever flashing I > AM > > My Own Nature! > > One day a mind may come to the threshold of Me - That one may fall > in! > > > > When the mind is held mute, when the Will is in stasis, When the > > descriptions are held in check > > when acknowledgement of the existence of infinite being is known > to > > be truth due to the suspension of > > ascription, attribution and apperception, when the attention is > held > > in full wakefullness to the mind's > > inability to enunciate my name or my designation, then that mind > will > > merge with me. > > > > The mind will never know me no being will ever see me, it is > merely > > inherence, > > recognition unspeakably sacred; it is holy; > > The result is reported as the decent of grace and named as such by > > the mind; > > but it is incapable of description! > > > > The body wanders about as if disengaged from the mind's faculties - > > > it does not know! > > Silly words these! Who can describe me to Myself!! > > > > Om Om Om Namahaa!! > >I don't know who the hell I am--to quote and second U. G. K. :-) u.g. k. was the best of the best! but he died anyway. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bindu " <binduau@> wrote: > > > > > > Who Am I? > > > > > > A Word un-uttered - a great joy!! > > > Ancient beyond days... forever! > > > > > > I am myriad - no image permanently reveals Me > > > nor any letter - scintillating I flash; > > > Like a shadow flitting, I am untouchable. > > > > > > No letter nor combination of sylable reveals Me! > > > Indeed even as a sound arises I become it - > > > I cannot be found as I am action itself! > > > > > > I appear as the conscious one in the mind .. > > > I myself do not name this and that; > > > nor do I understand this or that -- > > > I only enjoy raw and direct my own Being! > > > > > > I know nothing but who I am! I do not know anything else > > > nor do I ever acknowledge any other than I !! > > > I am eternal - The Infinite Conscious Self! > > > > > > All at once the mind falls into Me - > > > it stands mute, unable to report on Me! > > > with eyes wide open the body's eyes are filled up with Me! > > > > > > My Absolute shines out of everywhere as the solid-state > > > enjoyment of myself! but I do not know its name > > > nor ascribe it being other than myself! > > > > > > The body walks about as if insane or drunk incapable of naming Me! > > > The mind cannot comprehend Me ... who I am is written upon infinity > > > my name is my total being - it is the word of Me! > > > > > > I am flung out as existence into myself! > > > When I come into the awareness no mind can resist > > > no being is capable of Me - I am insurmountable! > > > > > > I am the indomitable Self, spoken of for aeons. > > > known by few - pointed at by many, written of seldom. > > > I do not have any limit, hence no form can encapsulate Me. > > > > > > The mind bathed in Me, is stupefied rendered empty and mute > > > it cannot report who I am! yet undeniably some great unfathomable > > > transcendent fills the mind in that hour! > > > > > > Named I am not; known I am not; my presence is cognized but I > > remain > > > unknown. > > > The drama of life, pleasure and pain. success and failure, life > > and > > > death - > > > are all the working out of my process - whereby again and again I > > re- > > > cognize! > > > > > > All that exists is my attribute; it is my nature! My -- > > consciousness! > > > I myself am something unimaginable - I am no mirrored image! > > > I am completely free of limitations of any idea, imagination or > > being! > > > > > > I am unmitigated endlessness -- my extension ... my extent is > > > incomprensible! > > > the limitation of language - the limitation of the sounds and > > > pictures > > > nay the limitation of the mind is due to it's own nature! > > > > > > Who? A great peel of laughter rings out as the flash of an > > exploding > > > star! > > > What description, what philosophy, what sect, path, religion or > > > imagination -- > > > What reflection, what conception -- what degree of super-conscient > > > mind ever knew Me! > > > > > > I in whom all these reflected refracted ideas of who I am have > > > appeared > > > have appeared simply due to my own nature! I do not do it, I do > > not > > > create it! > > > I did not act to cause it - it is my nature itself! > > > > > > Who Am I? I am a simple smile! a cheezy grin or a silly man -- > > > a great genius or an insane fool. I am a mother, a father, a stone! > > > I am That! I am -- I AM! > > > > > > Bodiless, full of being, full of bodies, full of existence, full > > of > > > my own Self! > > > I reject nothing of That Self! Always existing, forever flashing I > > AM > > > My Own Nature! > > > One day a mind may come to the threshold of Me - That one may fall > > in! > > > > > > When the mind is held mute, when the Will is in stasis, When the > > > descriptions are held in check > > > when acknowledgement of the existence of infinite being is known > > to > > > be truth due to the suspension of > > > ascription, attribution and apperception, when the attention is > > held > > > in full wakefullness to the mind's > > > inability to enunciate my name or my designation, then that mind > > will > > > merge with me. > > > > > > The mind will never know me no being will ever see me, it is > > merely > > > inherence, > > > recognition unspeakably sacred; it is holy; > > > The result is reported as the decent of grace and named as such by > > > the mind; > > > but it is incapable of description! > > > > > > The body wanders about as if disengaged from the mind's faculties - > > > > > it does not know! > > > Silly words these! Who can describe me to Myself!! > > > > > > Om Om Om Namahaa!! > > >I don't know who the hell I am--to quote and second U. G. K. > > > :-) > > u.g. k. was the best of the best! > > but he died anyway. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > Afraid of death, Are we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bindu " <binduau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Who Am I? > > > > > > > > A Word un-uttered - a great joy!! > > > > Ancient beyond days... forever! > > > > > > > > I am myriad - no image permanently reveals Me > > > > nor any letter - scintillating I flash; > > > > Like a shadow flitting, I am untouchable. > > > > > > > > No letter nor combination of sylable reveals Me! > > > > Indeed even as a sound arises I become it - > > > > I cannot be found as I am action itself! > > > > > > > > I appear as the conscious one in the mind .. > > > > I myself do not name this and that; > > > > nor do I understand this or that -- > > > > I only enjoy raw and direct my own Being! > > > > > > > > I know nothing but who I am! I do not know anything else > > > > nor do I ever acknowledge any other than I !! > > > > I am eternal - The Infinite Conscious Self! > > > > > > > > All at once the mind falls into Me - > > > > it stands mute, unable to report on Me! > > > > with eyes wide open the body's eyes are filled up with Me! > > > > > > > > My Absolute shines out of everywhere as the solid-state > > > > enjoyment of myself! but I do not know its name > > > > nor ascribe it being other than myself! > > > > > > > > The body walks about as if insane or drunk incapable of naming Me! > > > > The mind cannot comprehend Me ... who I am is written upon infinity > > > > my name is my total being - it is the word of Me! > > > > > > > > I am flung out as existence into myself! > > > > When I come into the awareness no mind can resist > > > > no being is capable of Me - I am insurmountable! > > > > > > > > I am the indomitable Self, spoken of for aeons. > > > > known by few - pointed at by many, written of seldom. > > > > I do not have any limit, hence no form can encapsulate Me. > > > > > > > > The mind bathed in Me, is stupefied rendered empty and mute > > > > it cannot report who I am! yet undeniably some great unfathomable > > > > transcendent fills the mind in that hour! > > > > > > > > Named I am not; known I am not; my presence is cognized but I > > > remain > > > > unknown. > > > > The drama of life, pleasure and pain. success and failure, life > > > and > > > > death - > > > > are all the working out of my process - whereby again and again I > > > re- > > > > cognize! > > > > > > > > All that exists is my attribute; it is my nature! My -- > > > consciousness! > > > > I myself am something unimaginable - I am no mirrored image! > > > > I am completely free of limitations of any idea, imagination or > > > being! > > > > > > > > I am unmitigated endlessness -- my extension ... my extent is > > > > incomprensible! > > > > the limitation of language - the limitation of the sounds and > > > > pictures > > > > nay the limitation of the mind is due to it's own nature! > > > > > > > > Who? A great peel of laughter rings out as the flash of an > > > exploding > > > > star! > > > > What description, what philosophy, what sect, path, religion or > > > > imagination -- > > > > What reflection, what conception -- what degree of super-conscient > > > > mind ever knew Me! > > > > > > > > I in whom all these reflected refracted ideas of who I am have > > > > appeared > > > > have appeared simply due to my own nature! I do not do it, I do > > > not > > > > create it! > > > > I did not act to cause it - it is my nature itself! > > > > > > > > Who Am I? I am a simple smile! a cheezy grin or a silly man -- > > > > a great genius or an insane fool. I am a mother, a father, a stone! > > > > I am That! I am -- I AM! > > > > > > > > Bodiless, full of being, full of bodies, full of existence, full > > > of > > > > my own Self! > > > > I reject nothing of That Self! Always existing, forever flashing I > > > AM > > > > My Own Nature! > > > > One day a mind may come to the threshold of Me - That one may fall > > > in! > > > > > > > > When the mind is held mute, when the Will is in stasis, When the > > > > descriptions are held in check > > > > when acknowledgement of the existence of infinite being is known > > > to > > > > be truth due to the suspension of > > > > ascription, attribution and apperception, when the attention is > > > held > > > > in full wakefullness to the mind's > > > > inability to enunciate my name or my designation, then that mind > > > will > > > > merge with me. > > > > > > > > The mind will never know me no being will ever see me, it is > > > merely > > > > inherence, > > > > recognition unspeakably sacred; it is holy; > > > > The result is reported as the decent of grace and named as such by > > > > the mind; > > > > but it is incapable of description! > > > > > > > > The body wanders about as if disengaged from the mind's faculties - > > > > > > > it does not know! > > > > Silly words these! Who can describe me to Myself!! > > > > > > > > Om Om Om Namahaa!! > > > >I don't know who the hell I am--to quote and second U. G. K. > > > > > > :-) > > > > u.g. k. was the best of the best! > > > > but he died anyway. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > Afraid of death, > > Are we? i don't know...are you? who's 'we'..you and your shadow? i think deat's funny as you can see above. oh..that's right...your lack of comprehension when reading. oh well..it's what it is. Haaaaaa! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bindu " <binduau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Who Am I? > > > > > > > > > > A Word un-uttered - a great joy!! > > > > > Ancient beyond days... forever! > > > > > > > > > > I am myriad - no image permanently reveals Me > > > > > nor any letter - scintillating I flash; > > > > > Like a shadow flitting, I am untouchable. > > > > > > > > > > No letter nor combination of sylable reveals Me! > > > > > Indeed even as a sound arises I become it - > > > > > I cannot be found as I am action itself! > > > > > > > > > > I appear as the conscious one in the mind .. > > > > > I myself do not name this and that; > > > > > nor do I understand this or that -- > > > > > I only enjoy raw and direct my own Being! > > > > > > > > > > I know nothing but who I am! I do not know anything else > > > > > nor do I ever acknowledge any other than I !! > > > > > I am eternal - The Infinite Conscious Self! > > > > > > > > > > All at once the mind falls into Me - > > > > > it stands mute, unable to report on Me! > > > > > with eyes wide open the body's eyes are filled up with Me! > > > > > > > > > > My Absolute shines out of everywhere as the solid-state > > > > > enjoyment of myself! but I do not know its name > > > > > nor ascribe it being other than myself! > > > > > > > > > > The body walks about as if insane or drunk incapable of naming Me! > > > > > The mind cannot comprehend Me ... who I am is written upon > infinity > > > > > my name is my total being - it is the word of Me! > > > > > > > > > > I am flung out as existence into myself! > > > > > When I come into the awareness no mind can resist > > > > > no being is capable of Me - I am insurmountable! > > > > > > > > > > I am the indomitable Self, spoken of for aeons. > > > > > known by few - pointed at by many, written of seldom. > > > > > I do not have any limit, hence no form can encapsulate Me. > > > > > > > > > > The mind bathed in Me, is stupefied rendered empty and mute > > > > > it cannot report who I am! yet undeniably some great unfathomable > > > > > transcendent fills the mind in that hour! > > > > > > > > > > Named I am not; known I am not; my presence is cognized but I > > > > remain > > > > > unknown. > > > > > The drama of life, pleasure and pain. success and failure, life > > > > and > > > > > death - > > > > > are all the working out of my process - whereby again and again I > > > > re- > > > > > cognize! > > > > > > > > > > All that exists is my attribute; it is my nature! My -- > > > > consciousness! > > > > > I myself am something unimaginable - I am no mirrored image! > > > > > I am completely free of limitations of any idea, imagination or > > > > being! > > > > > > > > > > I am unmitigated endlessness -- my extension ... my extent is > > > > > incomprensible! > > > > > the limitation of language - the limitation of the sounds and > > > > > pictures > > > > > nay the limitation of the mind is due to it's own nature! > > > > > > > > > > Who? A great peel of laughter rings out as the flash of an > > > > exploding > > > > > star! > > > > > What description, what philosophy, what sect, path, religion or > > > > > imagination -- > > > > > What reflection, what conception -- what degree of > super-conscient > > > > > mind ever knew Me! > > > > > > > > > > I in whom all these reflected refracted ideas of who I am have > > > > > appeared > > > > > have appeared simply due to my own nature! I do not do it, I do > > > > not > > > > > create it! > > > > > I did not act to cause it - it is my nature itself! > > > > > > > > > > Who Am I? I am a simple smile! a cheezy grin or a silly man -- > > > > > a great genius or an insane fool. I am a mother, a father, a > stone! > > > > > I am That! I am -- I AM! > > > > > > > > > > Bodiless, full of being, full of bodies, full of existence, full > > > > of > > > > > my own Self! > > > > > I reject nothing of That Self! Always existing, forever > flashing I > > > > AM > > > > > My Own Nature! > > > > > One day a mind may come to the threshold of Me - That one may > fall > > > > in! > > > > > > > > > > When the mind is held mute, when the Will is in stasis, When the > > > > > descriptions are held in check > > > > > when acknowledgement of the existence of infinite being is known > > > > to > > > > > be truth due to the suspension of > > > > > ascription, attribution and apperception, when the attention is > > > > held > > > > > in full wakefullness to the mind's > > > > > inability to enunciate my name or my designation, then that mind > > > > will > > > > > merge with me. > > > > > > > > > > The mind will never know me no being will ever see me, it is > > > > merely > > > > > inherence, > > > > > recognition unspeakably sacred; it is holy; > > > > > The result is reported as the decent of grace and named as > such by > > > > > the mind; > > > > > but it is incapable of description! > > > > > > > > > > The body wanders about as if disengaged from the mind's > faculties - > > > > > > > > > it does not know! > > > > > Silly words these! Who can describe me to Myself!! > > > > > > > > > > Om Om Om Namahaa!! > > > > >I don't know who the hell I am--to quote and second U. G. K. > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > u.g. k. was the best of the best! > > > > > > but he died anyway. > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Afraid of death, > > > > Are we? > > > > > i don't know...are you? > > who's 'we'..you and your shadow? > > i think deat's funny as you can see above. > > oh..that's right...your lack of comprehension when reading. > > oh well..it's what it is. > > Haaaaaa! > > .b b.b. > Look, Bob, The whole Reason I'm Helping you is that it's quite Obvious to anyone that you have ADD Know what that is? (I'm sure the coffee Has a lot to do with it.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bindu " <binduau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Who Am I? > > > > > > > > > > > > A Word un-uttered - a great joy!! > > > > > > Ancient beyond days... forever! > > > > > > > > > > > > I am myriad - no image permanently reveals Me > > > > > > nor any letter - scintillating I flash; > > > > > > Like a shadow flitting, I am untouchable. > > > > > > > > > > > > No letter nor combination of sylable reveals Me! > > > > > > Indeed even as a sound arises I become it - > > > > > > I cannot be found as I am action itself! > > > > > > > > > > > > I appear as the conscious one in the mind .. > > > > > > I myself do not name this and that; > > > > > > nor do I understand this or that -- > > > > > > I only enjoy raw and direct my own Being! > > > > > > > > > > > > I know nothing but who I am! I do not know anything else > > > > > > nor do I ever acknowledge any other than I !! > > > > > > I am eternal - The Infinite Conscious Self! > > > > > > > > > > > > All at once the mind falls into Me - > > > > > > it stands mute, unable to report on Me! > > > > > > with eyes wide open the body's eyes are filled up with Me! > > > > > > > > > > > > My Absolute shines out of everywhere as the solid-state > > > > > > enjoyment of myself! but I do not know its name > > > > > > nor ascribe it being other than myself! > > > > > > > > > > > > The body walks about as if insane or drunk incapable of > naming Me! > > > > > > The mind cannot comprehend Me ... who I am is written upon > > infinity > > > > > > my name is my total being - it is the word of Me! > > > > > > > > > > > > I am flung out as existence into myself! > > > > > > When I come into the awareness no mind can resist > > > > > > no being is capable of Me - I am insurmountable! > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the indomitable Self, spoken of for aeons. > > > > > > known by few - pointed at by many, written of seldom. > > > > > > I do not have any limit, hence no form can encapsulate Me. > > > > > > > > > > > > The mind bathed in Me, is stupefied rendered empty and mute > > > > > > it cannot report who I am! yet undeniably some great > unfathomable > > > > > > transcendent fills the mind in that hour! > > > > > > > > > > > > Named I am not; known I am not; my presence is cognized but I > > > > > remain > > > > > > unknown. > > > > > > The drama of life, pleasure and pain. success and failure, life > > > > > and > > > > > > death - > > > > > > are all the working out of my process - whereby again and > again I > > > > > re- > > > > > > cognize! > > > > > > > > > > > > All that exists is my attribute; it is my nature! My -- > > > > > consciousness! > > > > > > I myself am something unimaginable - I am no mirrored image! > > > > > > I am completely free of limitations of any idea, imagination or > > > > > being! > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unmitigated endlessness -- my extension ... my extent is > > > > > > incomprensible! > > > > > > the limitation of language - the limitation of the sounds and > > > > > > pictures > > > > > > nay the limitation of the mind is due to it's own nature! > > > > > > > > > > > > Who? A great peel of laughter rings out as the flash of an > > > > > exploding > > > > > > star! > > > > > > What description, what philosophy, what sect, path, religion or > > > > > > imagination -- > > > > > > What reflection, what conception -- what degree of > > super-conscient > > > > > > mind ever knew Me! > > > > > > > > > > > > I in whom all these reflected refracted ideas of who I am have > > > > > > appeared > > > > > > have appeared simply due to my own nature! I do not do it, I do > > > > > not > > > > > > create it! > > > > > > I did not act to cause it - it is my nature itself! > > > > > > > > > > > > Who Am I? I am a simple smile! a cheezy grin or a silly man -- > > > > > > a great genius or an insane fool. I am a mother, a father, a > > stone! > > > > > > I am That! I am -- I AM! > > > > > > > > > > > > Bodiless, full of being, full of bodies, full of existence, > full > > > > > of > > > > > > my own Self! > > > > > > I reject nothing of That Self! Always existing, forever > > flashing I > > > > > AM > > > > > > My Own Nature! > > > > > > One day a mind may come to the threshold of Me - That one may > > fall > > > > > in! > > > > > > > > > > > > When the mind is held mute, when the Will is in stasis, When > the > > > > > > descriptions are held in check > > > > > > when acknowledgement of the existence of infinite being is > known > > > > > to > > > > > > be truth due to the suspension of > > > > > > ascription, attribution and apperception, when the attention is > > > > > held > > > > > > in full wakefullness to the mind's > > > > > > inability to enunciate my name or my designation, then that > mind > > > > > will > > > > > > merge with me. > > > > > > > > > > > > The mind will never know me no being will ever see me, it is > > > > > merely > > > > > > inherence, > > > > > > recognition unspeakably sacred; it is holy; > > > > > > The result is reported as the decent of grace and named as > > such by > > > > > > the mind; > > > > > > but it is incapable of description! > > > > > > > > > > > > The body wanders about as if disengaged from the mind's > > faculties - > > > > > > > > > > > it does not know! > > > > > > Silly words these! Who can describe me to Myself!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Om Om Namahaa!! > > > > > >I don't know who the hell I am--to quote and second U. G. K. > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > u.g. k. was the best of the best! > > > > > > > > but he died anyway. > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Afraid of death, > > > > > > Are we? > > > > > > > > > > i don't know...are you? > > > > who's 'we'..you and your shadow? > > > > i think deat's funny as you can see above. > > > > oh..that's right...your lack of comprehension when reading. > > > > oh well..it's what it is. > > > > Haaaaaa! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > Look, Bob, > > The whole > > Reason I'm > > Helping you is that it's quite > > Obvious to anyone that you have > > > ADD > > > Know what that is? > > > > (I'm sure the coffee > > Has a lot to do with it.) > roberto...look yourself. look at how you expose your inane childishness. i'm sure genetics has at least something to do with it. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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