Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Love...What is It when You Love One Thing Over Another...? Is It Possible to Love Everything...? The Answer is No because the Moment You Choose One thing Over the Other You have Chosen to Love that One thing More than the Other Thing...!...You have Chosen to Give It More Attention than the Other so the Other Has Less of Your Love...! So what Is Love...?...Love is the Attention You Give to One thing Over the Other whether It's Negative or Positive Attention...! It's Not Possible to Be Conscious and Love Everything Equally...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 David: Yes sir, it is kind of hard to love everything, when you are identified with a food body some other food body is having for dinner. You are quite correct. So what is being talked about, must be some other kind of love, hey? El Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Hiya David, - David Walkowski <dswgos <Nisargadatta > Thursday, January 25, 2001 01:58 PM Love... > Love...What is It when You Love One Thing Over Another...? You express a preference, not love. > Is It Possible to Love Everything...? Possibile or Impossible for whom? > The Answer is No because the Moment You Choose One thing Over the > Other You have Chosen to Love that One thing More than the Other > Thing...!... Very true, for what is being expressed here is a preference not love. >You have Chosen to Give It More Attention than the Other > so the Other Has Less of Your Love...! You have Chosen to Give It More Attention than the Other so the Other Has Less of Your Preference...! > So what Is Love...?...Love is the Attention You Give to One thing > Over the Other whether It's Negative or Positive Attention...! Oh not all. Love is a consequential flavour of the milieu where understanding has occured that there is no " other " . > It's Not Possible to Be Conscious and Love Everything Equally...! And if it is so for you in the moment, so be it for you, in the moment. Cheers Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Dear El, Namaste! You have indeed connected all the links in the food chain! Unchained melody! The love feast -- agape! Thanks, El... Dan >David: > >Yes sir, it is kind of hard to love everything, >when you are identified with a food body >some other food body is having for dinner. > >You are quite correct. > >So what is being talked about, >must be some other kind of love, hey? > >El > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Hiya Sandeep... It Seems You have Some Confusion in Your Notions You are Suggesting to Me...I'm Hearing You Say what I'm Doing is Expressing a Preference...not Love...!...How is It Possible to Express Anything Whatsoever including Love if You do not Have a Preference...I Say It's Not Possible...this Very Life We Live in is Based On Preference and I'm Saying that the Act of Preference is Love in the Making...! ---------- Nisargadatta , " Sandeep Chatterjee " <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > Hiya David, > > > - > David Walkowski <dswgos@h...> > <Nisargadatta > > Thursday, January 25, 2001 01:58 PM > Love... > > > > Love...What is It when You Love One Thing Over Another...? > > > You express a preference, not love. > > > > Is It Possible to Love Everything...? > > > Possibile or Impossible for whom? > > > > The Answer is No because the Moment You Choose One thing Over the > > Other You have Chosen to Love that One thing More than the Other > > Thing...!... > > > Very true, for what is being expressed here is a preference not love. > > > >You have Chosen to Give It More Attention than the Other > > so the Other Has Less of Your Love...! > > > You have Chosen to Give It More Attention than the Other > so the Other Has Less of Your Preference...! > > > > So what Is Love...?...Love is the Attention You Give to One thing > > Over the Other whether It's Negative or Positive Attention...! > > Oh not all. > Love is a consequential flavour of the milieu where understanding has > occured that there is no " other " . > > > > > It's Not Possible to Be Conscious and Love Everything Equally...! > > And if it is so for you in the moment, so be it for you, in the moment. > > > Cheers > > Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Hiya David, - David Walkowski <dswgos <Nisargadatta > Friday, January 26, 2001 11:08 AM Re: Love... > Hiya Sandeep... > > It Seems You have Some Confusion in Your Notions You are Suggesting > to Me... I am sure that is how it appears to you.<s> >I'm Hearing You Say what I'm Doing is Expressing a > Preference...not Love...!...How is It Possible to Express Anything > Whatsoever including Love if You do not Have a Preference... Love is a consequential flavour of the milieu where understanding has occured that there is no " other " . There is no " expresser " of this, there is no " preferer " in operation. It is the flavour of the milieu of such an " existing " . >I Say > It's Not Possible...this Very Life We Live in is Based On Preference > and I'm Saying that the Act of Preference is Love in the Making...! And if it is so for you in the moment, so be it for you, in the moment. Cheers Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Hiya Sandeep...when You Say... " There is no " Expresser " of this, there is no " Preferer " in operation. It is the flavour of the milieu of such an " existing " ..! " ...If there is No " Preferer " in Operation then How is It Possible to Write what You Just Wrote...? ---------- Nisargadatta , " Sandeep Chatterjee " <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > Hiya David, > > > - > David Walkowski <dswgos@h...> > <Nisargadatta > > Friday, January 26, 2001 11:08 AM > Re: Love... > > > > Hiya Sandeep... > > > > It Seems You have Some Confusion in Your Notions You are Suggesting > > to Me... > > > I am sure that is how it appears to you.<s> > > > >I'm Hearing You Say what I'm Doing is Expressing a > > Preference...not Love...!...How is It Possible to Express Anything > > Whatsoever including Love if You do not Have a Preference... > > > Love is a consequential flavour of the milieu where understanding > has occured that there is no " other " . > > There is no " expresser " of this, there is no " preferer " in operation. > It is the flavour of the milieu of such an " existing " . > > > >I Say > > It's Not Possible...this Very Life We Live in is Based On Preference > > and I'm Saying that the Act of Preference is Love in the Making...! > > > And if it is so for you in the moment, so be it for you, in the moment. > > > Cheers > > Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2001 Report Share Posted January 26, 2001 - David Walkowski <dswgos <Nisargadatta > Friday, January 26, 2001 11:37 AM Re: Love... > Hiya Sandeep...when You Say... " There is no " Expresser " of this, there > is no " Preferer " in operation. It is the flavour of the milieu of > such an " existing " ..! " ...If there is No " Preferer " in Operation then > How is It Possible to Write what You Just Wrote...? > ---------- There is writing but no author thereof. Cheers Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2001 Report Share Posted January 26, 2001 Nisargadatta, " David Walkowski " <dswgos@h...> wrote: > Hiya Sandeep...when You Say... " There is no " Expresser " of this, there > is no " Preferer " in operation. It is the flavour of the milieu of > such an " existing " ..! " ...If there is No " Preferer " in Operation then > How is It Possible to Write what You Just Wrote...? I am new to this list. Found you from alt.zen. A comment: If there is spontaneous action in writing out of Who one Is, why should it be necessary that there be a small self making those decisions. You assume someone who has preferences and whose personal opinions or feelings are being expressed. But both Nisargardatta and Ramana Maharshi say that they do not experience speaking or communicating when they talk, just the presence of the Self, no separate individuals. Beyond our imagining isn't it? Robert > ---------- > > Nisargadatta , " Sandeep Chatterjee " <sandeepc@b...> > wrote: > > Hiya David, > > > > > > - > > David Walkowski <dswgos@h...> > > <Nisargadatta > > > Friday, January 26, 2001 11:08 AM > > Re: Love... > > > > > > > Hiya Sandeep... > > > > > > It Seems You have Some Confusion in Your Notions You are > Suggesting > > > to Me... > > > > > > I am sure that is how it appears to you.<s> > > > > > > >I'm Hearing You Say what I'm Doing is Expressing a > > > Preference...not Love...!...How is It Possible to Express > Anything > > > Whatsoever including Love if You do not Have a Preference... > > > > > > Love is a consequential flavour of the milieu where understanding > > has occured that there is no " other " . > > > > There is no " expresser " of this, there is no " preferer " in > operation. > > It is the flavour of the milieu of such an " existing " . > > > > > > >I Say > > > It's Not Possible...this Very Life We Live in is Based On > Preference > > > and I'm Saying that the Act of Preference is Love in the > Making...! > > > > > > And if it is so for you in the moment, so be it for you, in the > moment. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2001 Report Share Posted January 26, 2001 Hiya Sandeep... Sandeep...if there is No Expresser and No Preferer then Why do We Have Words that Say We do Have an Expresser and a Preferrer...? ---------- Nisargadatta, " Sandeep Chatterjee " <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > Hiya David, > > > - > David Walkowski <dswgos@h...> > <Nisargadatta > > Friday, January 26, 2001 11:08 AM > Re: Love... > > > > Hiya Sandeep... > > > > It Seems You have Some Confusion in Your Notions You are Suggesting > > to Me... > > > I am sure that is how it appears to you.<s> > > > >I'm Hearing You Say what I'm Doing is Expressing a > > Preference...not Love...!...How is It Possible to Express Anything > > Whatsoever including Love if You do not Have a Preference... > > > Love is a consequential flavour of the milieu where understanding > has occured that there is no " other " . > > There is no " expresser " of this, there is no " preferer " in operation. > It is the flavour of the milieu of such an " existing " . > > > >I Say > > It's Not Possible...this Very Life We Live in is Based On Preference > > and I'm Saying that the Act of Preference is Love in the Making...! > > > And if it is so for you in the moment, so be it for you, in the moment. > > > Cheers > > Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2001 Report Share Posted January 26, 2001 Sandeep...when You Say... " There is writing but no author thereof. " ...are You Saying You Didn't Write what You Wrote...? ---------- Nisargadatta, " Sandeep Chatterjee " <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > > - > David Walkowski <dswgos@h...> > <Nisargadatta > > Friday, January 26, 2001 11:37 AM > Re: Love... > > > > Hiya Sandeep...when You Say... " There is no " Expresser " of this, there > > is no " Preferer " in operation. It is the flavour of the milieu of > > such an " existing " ..! " ...If there is No " Preferer " in Operation then > > How is It Possible to Write what You Just Wrote...? > > ---------- > > > There is writing but no author thereof. > > > Cheers > > Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2001 Report Share Posted January 26, 2001 Hi David, - <dswgos <Nisargadatta > Saturday, January 27, 2001 09:08 AM Re: Love... > Hiya Sandeep... > > Sandeep...if there is No Expresser and No Preferer then Why do We > Have Words that Say We do Have an Expresser and a Preferrer...? Let's lump the " expresser " and preferrer " as the " me-entity " for really it is this illusory " me-entity " which expresses it's preferences, thus enjoying the pleasure of Personal Hells and Personal Heavens, when subsequently it's preferences come to fructify or do not. Now to re-phrase your question, why does a " me-entity " come to be? A " me-entity " appears to come to be (there is no existential truth to it's existence) so that immediately a " you-entity " is established. The " me " births the " you " and vice versa. And now between this " me " and this " you " , a relationship is possible, a relationship of love, hate, indifference, compassion, whatever. And Life as we know of it as a myriad mosiac of relationship between the Billions and Billions of the " me " s and " you " s, comes to be. Let's take this very dialogue as part of that same mosiac of relationship called Life, between a " David " and a " Sandeep " For the question to be asked and a answer to be given, there has to be a " David " apparently separate to a 'Sandeep " and the game of the dialogue comes to be, a nuance of Life comes to be. Whereas all that is really happening is a pretence of " that " asking and " that " answering, (conceptually speaking). Whatever label one wishes to put on " that " , makes no difference. And since it is only " that " all through, is anything at all happening? LOL Cheers Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2001 Report Share Posted January 26, 2001 Hi David, - <dswgos <Nisargadatta > Saturday, January 27, 2001 09:16 AM Re: Love... > Sandeep...when You Say... " There is writing but no author > thereof. " ...are You Saying You Didn't Write what You Wrote...? Who is the " you " being referred, here? Cheers Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2001 Report Share Posted January 27, 2001 Dear Robert, There is no one to assume that someone has preferences, therefore no one can be addressed as if there were " a mind to change " or " a better way to be " . It doesn't matter what Nisargardatta and Ramana say, because with no entities available to make decisions, there are no entities available to be authorities about " what is " . Indeed, there *is* only spontaneous writing, seeing, being, nonbeing ... " Synchronicity " doesn't even begin to speak to its nature ;-) Imagining, beyond imagining, there's no separation to be observed ... Love, Dan >A comment: >If there is spontaneous action in writing out of Who one Is, why should >it be necessary that there be a small self making those decisions. You >assume someone who has preferences and whose personal opinions or >feelings are being expressed. But both Nisargardatta and Ramana >Maharshi say that they do not experience speaking or communicating when >they talk, just the presence of the Self, no separate individuals. > >Beyond our imagining isn't it? > >Robert > > > ---------- > > > > Nisargadatta , " Sandeep Chatterjee " <sandeepc@b...> > > wrote: > > > Hiya David, > > > > > > > > > - > > > David Walkowski <dswgos@h...> > > > <Nisargadatta > > > > Friday, January 26, 2001 11:08 AM > > > Re: Love... > > > > > > > > > > Hiya Sandeep... > > > > > > > > It Seems You have Some Confusion in Your Notions You are > > Suggesting > > > > to Me... > > > > > > > > > I am sure that is how it appears to you.<s> > > > > > > > > > >I'm Hearing You Say what I'm Doing is Expressing a > > > > Preference...not Love...!...How is It Possible to Express > > Anything > > > > Whatsoever including Love if You do not Have a Preference... > > > > > > > > > Love is a consequential flavour of the milieu where understanding > > > has occured that there is no " other " . > > > > > > There is no " expresser " of this, there is no " preferer " in > > operation. > > > It is the flavour of the milieu of such an " existing " . > > > > > > > > > >I Say > > > > It's Not Possible...this Very Life We Live in is Based On > > Preference > > > > and I'm Saying that the Act of Preference is Love in the > > Making...! > > > > > > > > > And if it is so for you in the moment, so be it for you, in the > > moment. > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Sandeep > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2001 Report Share Posted January 27, 2001 No, not even nothing, just " just " . LAS (laughing as silence) The Dance of Nowhere and Nowhere Else ... Smiles, Dan >(snip) >And since it is only " that " all through, is anything at all happening? > >LOL > > >Cheers > > >Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2001 Report Share Posted January 27, 2001 So what are You Saying...Sandeep...there's No You...Only My Imagination Talking to Its Self...? Or are You Saying No You wrote Everything No You Wrote...? ---------- Nisargadatta, " Sandeep Chatterjee " <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > Hi David, > > - > <dswgos@h...> > <Nisargadatta> > Saturday, January 27, 2001 09:16 AM > Re: Love... > > > > Sandeep...when You Say... " There is writing but no author > > thereof. " ...are You Saying You Didn't Write what You Wrote...? > > > Who is the " you " being referred, here? > > > Cheers > > Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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