Guest guest Posted February 26, 2001 Report Share Posted February 26, 2001 Do you feel better now, Sandeep? El Nisargadatta, " Sandeep Chatterjee " <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > Hiya David, > A somewhat old post, even though only 2 days old. > You raise some interesting questions. > > My two bits......... > > - > <truthseeker@c...> > <Nisargadatta> > Saturday, February 24, 2001 04:44 AM > The Fall (Elizabeth) > > > > I've been popping in and out of this group for about a month now > > reading the posts but never posting myself. What seems very unique > > about this group is that they so often refrain from writing personal > > notes and more often than not just quote one of the great teachers. > > That to me shows great humility and also that real practice is > > happening. > > > It could also be, that no movement has yet taken place in the individual > concerned. > You know, when you don't have it to flaunt, you can always fake it, by > quoting.<g> > > > > My name is David and I will break this tradition simply because the > > Maharaj's teachings are not the only reason I come to this group. I > > also come for social interaction around his teachings. Why don't we > > spend some time talking about the trials in our own lives of trying > > to live what Ramana Maharshi or Nisargadatta speak about? > > > > Indeed, that's where the real test of apperception or mere intellectual > masturbation lies. > > > > About a > > year ago I came upon these great sages: first Ramana then > > Nisargadatta. I instantly recognized their teachings as the vehicle I > > had been searching for to find the truth of myself. They were direct, > > they did not preach seperation from the world, they integrated their > > practice with life, and they stayed away from quoting holy books and > > becoming lost in traditions and rituals. I especially identified with > > Nisargadatta. When I read him it is as though every word is precious. > > I have tried to underline the key passages, but it seems that I could > > underline the entire book (I Am That). Much of what resonates with me > > about him is his cutting to the point and at the same time his gentle > > and loving urging of us. I'm sure the fact that he lived so recently > > also helps in his communication with me. > > > Yeah that dude was a dude. > > > > I've become pretty good at coming back to the " I am " throughout the > > day. It has greatly helped my meditation periods too. They have a > > stillness that was never there before. Also, I actually hunger for my > > meditation sessions which is definitely new. Of course the spiritual > > life goes in cycles. Recently my mind has become very caught up in > > career plans. It is so interested in its thoughts that it doesn't > > want to rest in the " I am. " > > > The mind cannot rest in 'IAM " . > That is not it's nature. > It will use a new terminology it comes across viz " IAM " , play with it, > experience maybe some esoteric stuff, and then will move on to something > else, something new. > That is it's nature. > > > > > That is why the Maharaj's words about the > > fall: " accepting experiences as the truth, it gets more and more > > involved... " resonated with me so much. The pleasure in thinking and > > weaving a world of experiences is so great with me that I am > > sometimes reluctant to step beyond it. > > > Who is " pleasuring " in thinking and weaving around experiences? > Who is experiencing these pleasurable stuff? > Who is sometimes reluctant to step beyond it? > > > > I think this is one of my > > greatest challenges. It has become very clear to me why Nisargadatta > > speaks so often of earnestness and of not taking on new ventures. The > > spiritual work is so easily thrown off by the mind's interests and > > preoccupations. > > > > That would be true, if there is a dichotomy between so called spiritual work > and minds' interest and pre-occupations. > > Can there be spiritualism in the very mind's interest and pre-occupations? > > Can one make love next to the altar and meditate in a whore-house? > > > > > But is also flourishes so easily when there is > > earnestness and focus. > > > Who is to be earnest? > Who is to be focussed? > > > > What are your (all) experiences with this and how do you resolve this > > issue? > > > The apperception that there is nothing to resolve. > When the mind lusts after that nude blonde, that is noted, when the mind > lusts after the experience of " IAM " that is noted. > > Recalling a great sex therapist simple treatment to patients with the most > esoteric and complex sexual problems. > > He used to tell his patients " It is simple. When you are hot you are hot, > when you are not, you are not " > > Reminds me...... > > Ta Hui's fame as a enlightened Master grew to such proportions, that he was > given the name of " Buddha Sun " as a sign of imperial honour in China. > Ta Hui dies in 1163 AD and just before he dies, he is asked by his disciples > to compose a verse. He does and dies immediately after uttering these words: > > Birth is thus > Death is thus > Verse or no verse > What's the fuss? > > > > Yes, David, what's the fuss.<s> > > > Cheers > > > Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2001 Report Share Posted February 26, 2001 - <elizabethwells2001 <Nisargadatta > Monday, February 26, 2001 02:46 PM To Sandeep--Re: The Fall (Elizabeth) > Do you feel better now, Sandeep? > > El An acute pain in the lower back, keeps me interested with the body-mind complex, however, feeling fine otherwise. Thank you. Cheers Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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