CONSCIOUSNESS AND THE ABSOLUTE. Termination of Spiritual Understanding.

[Guest guest]

January 24, 1981.

 

 

 

Listen to what I am saying,

but do not expect to benefit

in any way by what you hear,

 

because to benefit

there must be an entity,

and there is no entity.

 

 

 

Since I have had this disease

there has been a slight change

in the way I look at things.

 

Earlier, I had felt that there

was a slight touch of individuality,

to the extent that I felt that

this universal consciousness

was acting through a particular form.

 

Now there is not the slightest touch

of any individual form nor functioning.

 

 

 

There is now cognition of

total functioning as such.

 

But even that will last only

so long as the body lasts.

 

In that body there is consciousness,

and both are material.

 

 

 

In all this, there is no question

of any entity cognizing anything

as separate.

 

Instead there is total functioning

through various millions of forms.

 

I have identified the disease

with the total consciousness.

 

 

 

 

Questioner:

What remains when consciousness goes?

 

Nothing phenomenal remains.

 

 

 

These present talks are the culmination,

or termination, of spiritual understanding.

 

The more the physical pain is observed,

the more it is being realized that

everything is illusory.

 

 

 

 

Questioner:

Maharaj has reached the destination,

we have not.

 

There was a house,

and in the house there was a person.

 

Now the person is gone

and the house is demolished.

 

The sum total is,

whatever experiences you have,

whether for a day or for years,

it is all illusion.

 

 

 

 

The experiences begin with knowingness.

 

What is the most ingrained habit you have?

It is to say, I am.

This is the root habit.

 

 

Words and experiences

are unworthy of you.

 

The habit of experiencing will not go

until you realize that all this domain

of the five elements,

and the experiences in the five elements,

are unreal.

 

This " I Amness " is itself unreal.

 

 

 

..

[Guest guest]

Well-said.

Said well enough that it

is unsaid.

 

Remarkable in its

unremarkableness.

 

So unremarkable

as to remain

forever unnoticed

and unsaid,

even when said

directly.

 

Whenever speaking,

there can only be

affirmation, negation,

or denial of affirmation

and negation.

 

Trying to say there is

" something else "

still only comes out

as something said,

either affirmation or negation

(e.g., negation as

" end of phenomenality " ).

 

There can also be denial of either

beginnings or ends

(e.g., denial of an end or beginning

of phenomenality,

for any ending or beginning is

a phenomenal event)

 

Without any ending or beginning,

there can't be any truth

to the categories " phenomenality "

or " nonphenomenality "

(denying the possibility

to affirm or negate

either phenomenality or

nonphenomenality).

 

Love,

Dan

 

 

January 24, 1981.

 

 

 

Listen to what I am saying,

but do not expect to benefit

in any way by what you hear,

 

because to benefit

there must be an entity,

and there is no entity.

 

 

 

Since I have had this disease

there has been a slight change

in the way I look at things.

 

Earlier, I had felt that there

was a slight touch of individuality,

to the extent that I felt that

this universal consciousness

was acting through a particular form.

 

Now there is not the slightest touch

of any individual form nor functioning.

 

 

 

There is now cognition of

total functioning as such.

 

But even that will last only

so long as the body lasts.

 

In that body there is consciousness,

and both are material.

 

 

 

In all this, there is no question

of any entity cognizing anything

as separate.

 

Instead there is total functioning

through various millions of forms.

 

I have identified the disease

with the total consciousness.

 

 

 

 

Questioner:

What remains when consciousness goes?

 

Nothing phenomenal remains.

 

 

 

These present talks are the culmination,

or termination, of spiritual understanding.

 

The more the physical pain is observed,

the more it is being realized that

everything is illusory.

 

 

 

 

Questioner:

Maharaj has reached the destination,

we have not.

 

There was a house,

and in the house there was a person.

 

Now the person is gone

and the house is demolished.

 

The sum total is,

whatever experiences you have,

whether for a day or for years,

it is all illusion.

 

 

 

 

The experiences begin with knowingness.

 

What is the most ingrained habit you have?

It is to say, I am.

This is the root habit.

 

 

Words and experiences

are unworthy of you.

 

The habit of experiencing will not go

until you realize that all this domain

of the five elements,

and the experiences in the five elements,

are unreal.

 

This " I Amness " is itself unreal.

 

 

 

..

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Dan,

 

If I didn't know you better,

I'd say you were preaching... !

 

Nice preaching,

but still preaching.

 

What are you doing here?

 

I am here only to ask you this. :-)

 

Namaste,

 

Tim (signing off,)

(having had his fill of Nisargadatta thru many, many books)

 

Nisargadatta, Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> wrote:

> Well-said.

> Said well enough that it

> is unsaid.

>

> Remarkable in its

> unremarkableness.

>

> So unremarkable

> as to remain

> forever unnoticed

> and unsaid,

> even when said

> directly.

>

> Whenever speaking,

> there can only be

> affirmation, negation,

> or denial of affirmation

> and negation.

>

> Trying to say there is

> " something else "

> still only comes out

> as something said,

> either affirmation or negation

> (e.g., negation as

> " end of phenomenality " ).

>

> There can also be denial of either

> beginnings or ends

> (e.g., denial of an end or beginning

> of phenomenality,

> for any ending or beginning is

> a phenomenal event)

>

> Without any ending or beginning,

> there can't be any truth

> to the categories " phenomenality "

> or " nonphenomenality "

> (denying the possibility

> to affirm or negate

> either phenomenality or

> nonphenomenality).

>

>

> Love,

> Dan

>

>

> >January 24, 1981.

> >

> >

> >

> >Listen to what I am saying,

> >but do not expect to benefit

> >in any way by what you hear,

> >

> >because to benefit

> >there must be an entity,

> >and there is no entity.

> >

> >

> >

> >Since I have had this disease

> >there has been a slight change

> >in the way I look at things.

> >

> >Earlier, I had felt that there

> >was a slight touch of individuality,

> >to the extent that I felt that

> >this universal consciousness

> >was acting through a particular form.

> >

> >Now there is not the slightest touch

> >of any individual form nor functioning.

> >

> >

> >

> >There is now cognition of

> >total functioning as such.

> >

> >But even that will last only

> >so long as the body lasts.

> >

> >In that body there is consciousness,

> >and both are material.

> >

> >

> >

> >In all this, there is no question

> >of any entity cognizing anything

> >as separate.

> >

> >Instead there is total functioning

> >through various millions of forms.

> >

> >I have identified the disease

> >with the total consciousness.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Questioner:

> >What remains when consciousness goes?

> >

> >Nothing phenomenal remains.

> >

> >

> >

> >These present talks are the culmination,

> >or termination, of spiritual understanding.

> >

> >The more the physical pain is observed,

> >the more it is being realized that

> >everything is illusory.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Questioner:

> >Maharaj has reached the destination,

> >we have not.

> >

> >There was a house,

> >and in the house there was a person.

> >

> >Now the person is gone

> >and the house is demolished.

> >

> >The sum total is,

> >whatever experiences you have,

> >whether for a day or for years,

> >it is all illusion.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >The experiences begin with knowingness.

> >

> >What is the most ingrained habit you have?

> >It is to say, I am.

> >This is the root habit.

> >

> >

> >Words and experiences

> >are unworthy of you.

> >

> >The habit of experiencing will not go

> >until you realize that all this domain

> >of the five elements,

> >and the experiences in the five elements,

> >are unreal.

> >

> >This " I Amness " is itself unreal.

> >

> >

> >

> >.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Dan,

 

If I didn't know you better,

I'd say you were preaching... !

 

Nice preaching,

but still preaching.

 

What are you doing here?

 

I am here only to ask you this. :-)

 

Namaste,

 

Tim (signing off,)

(having had his fill of Nisargadatta thru many, many

books)

I have no recollection

of what that preacher

said.

And I'm fine as I am ;-)

 

Namaste,

Dan