Guest guest Posted March 25, 2001 Report Share Posted March 25, 2001 >That the dream never occurred is > " awakening " -- hence no facilitation > required nor available. > >Dan >-------------- > >Put another way, >how could anything facilitate something >that never happened. > >El ~ Doesn't the denial of the existence of something confirm it? It has to appear in order to be negated. If there is no dream, what conversations about the non-existence of it could we be typing and reading here? Of course, you could say we are not having a conversation, but this sort of denial is simply a mental game. In fact, you could call the entirety of the dream the same. But that does not say there is no appearance of dream forms... only that they are not what they seem to be. Xan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2001 Report Share Posted March 25, 2001 From my vantage point, on the mental level, all that can be done is utter negation. The evaporation of all plus's and all minus's as they merge back into eachother. Which is not indicative of some big fat positive sitting on some other side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2001 Report Share Posted March 25, 2001 >That the dream never occurred is > " awakening " -- hence no facilitation > required nor available. > >Dan >-------------- > >Put another way, >how could anything facilitate something >that never happened. > >El ~ Doesn't the denial of the existence of something confirm it? It has to appear in order to be negated. Or, negating it assumes an appearance subject to being negated. >If there is no dream, what conversations about the non-existence of it could we be typing and reading here? Conversations that rely on " the past " and " memory " .... Of course, you could say we are not having a conversation, You just said that. but this sort of denial is simply a mental game. Now, you label the words you put in another's mouth as " denial and mental games " . Have you not here played the mental game of constructing and negating a mental image of " another " ? In fact, you could call the entirety of the dream the same. But that does not say there is no appearance of dream forms... only that they are not what they seem to be. The dream relies on assumed separation, including the separation of affirmation (birth, creation, validating, having, being) and negation (death, destruction, invalidating, losing,nonbeing). That the dream never occurred means that affirmation and negation were never really separable, nor separated. It doesn't mean that " no appearance can appear to appear " -- it means " the appearance that appears to appear, neither can be said to be nor not to be " There is no other that appears, regardless of any sense that another has appeared, nor is there any outside in which such appearance could take place, regardless of any sense that an outside has appeared. Love, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2001 Report Share Posted March 25, 2001 Ladeee daaaadeeee Dan, Sandeep. Ps: You will be please to note that I got thrown out of the Advatin List, after creating some similar ruckus out there. Oh well Let me revert to my Remy Martin and Dobeeee doooing. - Daniel Berkow Nisargadatta Monday, March 26, 2001 04:52 AM Re: dreams of facilitation >That the dream never occurred is> "awakening" -- hence no facilitation> required nor available.>>Dan>-------------->>Put another way,>how could anything facilitate something>that never happened.>>El~ Doesn't the denial of the existence of somethingconfirm it? It has to appear in order to be negated.Or, negating it assumes an appearance subject to being negated. >If there is no dream, what conversations about the non-existence of it could we be typing and readinghere?Conversations that rely on "the past" and "memory" ... Of course, you could say we are not having a conversation,You just said that. but this sort of denial is simply a mental game. Now, you label the words you put in another's mouth as "denial and mental games". Have you not here played the mental game of constructing and negating a mental image of "another"? In fact, youcould call the entirety of the dream the same. But that doesnot say there is no appearance of dream forms...only that they are not what they seem to be.The dream relies on assumed separation, including the separation of affirmation (birth, creation, validating, having, being) and negation (death, destruction, invalidating, losing,nonbeing).That the dream never occurred means that affirmation and negation were never really separable, nor separated.It doesn't mean that "no appearance can appear to appear" -- it means "the appearance that appears to appear, neither can be said to be nor not to be"There is no other that appears, regardless of any sense that another has appeared, nor is there any outside in which such appearance could take place, regardless of any sense that an outside has appeared.Love,Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2001 Report Share Posted March 26, 2001 Lifting a glass of Remy Martin to you, you old ruckus-maker! If they throw you out, you will only reappear in another form ... just never in the images of dead books and rote repetitions of sagely points of view ... LOL! and deee laaa daaa-ing Dan Ladeee daaaadeeee Dan, Sandeep. Ps: You will be please to note that I got thrown out of the Advatin List, after creating some similar ruckus out there. Oh well Let me revert to my Remy Martin and Dobeeee doooing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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