FW: translations/Sages/Jnanis

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This egroup is dedicated (for lack of a better word)to Nisargadatta Maharaj,

a Jnani.

 

A number of posts ~ one from Hur ~ posing a question to Cathy about the

translation of I AM THAT ~ another from Elizabeth ~ regarding Sages and then

tonite a post from Cathy, once again stimulated the recollection of this

transcript so ....

 

 

~jessica

 

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S: Robert, does the Jnani get angry?

 

R: Nope, except sometimes to teach a lesson.

 

S: So he fakes it.

 

R: Sometimes.

 

S: He has the appearance of anger.

 

R: Sometimes.

 

S: Cause he affects happiness. I mean affects the appearance.

 

R: Sometimes.

 

S: Of course I'm not asking whether he faked it or not. What I'm asking is

does anger come to a Jnani?

 

R: Not really. Unless he fakes it.

 

S: " I've been reading I AM That and Nisargadatta was known getting angry a

lot.

 

R: I know

 

S: He did too.

 

R: He used to get very angry at Balsekar. But that was the appearance.

 

S: So you're saying it was an act.

 

R: Yes.

 

S: Because someone asked him a question on that and he said, " When I

identify with the gunas, then anger arises. When I stop identifying with it,

then anger disappears. " So he was saying, at that moment, because I was

identifying with it, the anger arose. But when I recognized the anger and

discontinued identifying with it, it disappears.

 

R: He didn't mean that.

 

S: That's how he speaks.

 

R: If he spoke like that he wouldn't be a Jnani.

 

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.....to be continued

[Guest guest]

Continued....

 

 

 

S: But don't we see in each other also what is in us, not just the Jnani?

 

R: Yes we do. The onlooker sees wherever he looks, he sees himself.

 

S: From the point of the view of the onlooker the Jnani is not any different

than anyone else. How is one to distinguish?

 

R: That's why it is said that you must turn within yourself and the answer

will come out of yourself and you will know.

 

S: But Ramana would say that you can tell because when you're in the

presence of a Jnani you feel a great peace. In other words their peace

becomes your peace.

 

R: That's true to an extent. But if the Jnani is walking in the market place

and you bump into him you will not be able to tell, usually. But if you're

in a class with a Jnani then there's a peace.

 

S: But what I'm saying is when people were with Nisargadatta he was getting

angry and carrying on. Obviously he looked like anyone else.

 

R: But people felt a great peace with him, except those he chased away.

 

S: A lot of people didn't feel anything around Ramana.

 

R: That's right.

 

S: Yeah, I guess that's the point.

 

R: It all depends on yourself. If you work on yourself, if you go within,

then you'll be led to the right teacher at the right time and all will go

well with you. But if you're only doing things externally you'll make a lot

of mistakes and go to the wrong places.

 

S: If that is also part of where you need to be at that time too?

 

R: Yes. Everything is preordained. So why worry about these things? Turn

within, find yourself, and be free. Most people go around saying who’s a

Jnani, who’s not, who’s enlightened, who’s not. That's a waste of energy.

Forget about all this. It doesn't matter. Find yourself. And then see if

those questions come to you.

 

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Transcript:

One Consciousness One Self

 

satsang with Robert Adams

[Guest guest]

Dear Jessica,

 

Thank you for taking the time to post Robert Adams transcripts. Last

year hotei from the www.advaita.org chat room had given me the link

to http://leelaa.net where I enjoyed reading the transcripts of

Robert Adams satsangs and listened to some of the audio files. I

recommend the free site to everyone who is interested in this no

nonsense American jnani.

 

Best regards,

 

Hur

 

 

 

Nisargadatta, " Jessica White " <ellam-ondre@h...> wrote:

> Continued....

 

> So why worry about these things? Turn

> within, find yourself, and be free. Most people go around saying

who's a

> Jnani, who's not, who's enlightened, who's not. That's

a waste of

energy.

> Forget about all this. It doesn't matter. Find yourself. And then

see if

> those questions come to you.

>

>

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> Transcript:

> One Consciousness One Self

>

> satsang with Robert Adams