Re:Tim / Thinking..another take...

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Hi Tim!

 

Nisargadatta, Daniel

Berkow <berkowd@u...> wrote:

> This world of experience

> necessitates the sensation of time passing,

> without which memory couldn't function,

> and without which there couldn't be

> perception/experience of/as form.

 

J. Krishnamurti had an interesting take on this... for purposes of

explanation, separating 'psychological time' and 'clock time' into

different categories. According to him, what is sometimes

called 'Eternal Now' is the end of (or lack of) psychological time or

 

the sense of 'time passing', although this does not negate the

perception of time in the manifest... namely, milk getting sour if

left out, numbers on a clock changing, the body appearing to age, and

 

so forth...

Yes. You elucidate this perspective

well here.

 

 

Still, this seems to 'split

reality' (at least as definition -- why

would 'the rest of the manifest' be different from 'here'?) and is

not entirely satisfactory.

Indeed. The split between psychological time and manifest time

is another version of the mind/body split. It suggests

that

the " observer " is eliminated psychologically, yet

continues

" in physical reality " -- as if there were a real place,

out there,

apart from observers. To carry this through, the place

" out there "

is only the body of the " ultimate nonobserver " , and

so-called

" physically observed " time isn't possible unless there

is postulated

a separated physical observer (e.g., someone who identifies a

clock,

has a memory, gauges the passing of time by movements of the

clock).

 

Without the assumed physical observer, timelessness is at once

psychological and physical, with no split between the two.

 

Yet, the assumption of the physically situated observer is

" necessary "

for the game to be played -- so societies, families, languages,

relationships,

histories can be formed, unformed, and reformed.

 

I think you're right: Solving

the riddle of " the questioner "

completely 'solves' this (or renders it unimportant). No answer can

 

satisfy thought, which is manifesting the manifest and thus 'has no

business asking questions about what it creates' :-).

Quite true.

It separates itself into time and

the observer of time, physical

events and psychological perspectives.

 

Love,

Dan