Guest guest Posted April 3, 2001 Report Share Posted April 3, 2001 Namaste All, This is a question that I have posed without any response all over the place. Is it not that the I, I, can only be, sat chit ananda. Now as this is an attribute, is it not that we are talking of Saguna not Nirguna Brahman. I would be interested in your opinions on this......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2001 Report Share Posted April 3, 2001 You probably haven't gotten a response, because nobody knows what you are talking about. I sure don't. El Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2001 Report Share Posted April 3, 2001 Namaste All, This is a question that I have posed without any response all over the place. Maybe the response was silence ;-) Is it not that the I, I, can only be, sat chit ananda. Now as this is an attribute, is it not that we are talking of Saguna not Nirguna Brahman. I would be interested in your opinions on this......Tony. What is the sound of the Great Void breaking wind? When you are in the middle of a hurricane, no one can hear a word you say! :-) Love, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2001 Report Share Posted April 3, 2001 Nisargadatta, " Tony O'Clery " <aoclery> wrote: > Namaste All, > > This is a question that I have posed without any response all over > the place. Why do you pose questions? The need for questions generates the need for answers, a vicious cycle. Why not drop the whole cycle, the whole game? > Is it not that the I, I, can only be, sat chit ananda. Now as this > is an attribute, is it not that we are talking of Saguna not > Nirguna Brahman. I would be interested in your opinions on > this......Tony. If you insist on dividing things into " Saguna Brahman " and " Nirguna Brahman " -- Saguna is the consciousness or the Beingness, not a word can be said about Nirguna, because it's Nirguna (attribute-less). " The I,I " (as pointed by Ramana) is a pointer only. So is " sat-chit- ananda. " Taking these concepts literally, you attach to the pointer and miss what they point to -- generating all sorts of questions and assorted dreams. Namaste, Omkara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2001 Report Share Posted April 3, 2001 Dear Tony, With the help of the " I am That " glossary, let me try to understand your question by defining some of the terms and then you tell me if this is what you are asking for. Nirguna: the Unconditioned, without attributes, (nir, without + guna, attribute). Saguna: Manifested condition with the three 'gunas' -- sattva, rajas and tamas. The Supreme Absolute conceived of as possessing qualities like love, mercy etc., as distinguised from the Undifferentiated Absolute of the Advaita Vedanta. Sad-chit: The transcendental condition of the universal potentiality. Ananda: Bliss, happiness (a, to + nand, to rejoice) Sat-chit-ananda: Once I heard Eli-Jaxon Bear define this term as " Consciousness of Being is Bliss, " and since it's in a sentence form, I like it. Without getting into the philosophical debate at this point, based on the terms alone, the logical answer would be since sad-chit is a manifested attribute in the true nature of (our) being, yes we are talking about Saguna (manifested), not Nirguna (Unmanifested). I realize one can raise all sorts of questions from this conclusion but we can leave that to another email. Best regards, Hur Nisargadatta, " Tony O'Clery " <aoclery> wrote: > Namaste All, > > This is a question that I have posed without any response all over the > place. > > Is it not that the I, I, can only be, sat chit ananda. Now as this is > an attribute, is it not that we are talking of Saguna not Nirguna > Brahman. I would be interested in your opinions on this......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2001 Report Share Posted April 4, 2001 Hur wrote: [...] > Sat-chit-ananda: Once I heard Eli-Jaxon Bear define this term > as " Consciousness of Being is Bliss, " and since it's in a sentence > form, I like it. The sentence you refer to was also said by Nisargadatta: " It is being-awareness-bliss. Awareness of being is bliss. " (I Am That, page 210) Miguel-Angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2001 Report Share Posted April 4, 2001 Namaste Hur, That is exactly right on! I posed the question because on many lists it seemed to me that when referring to Brahman, many stopped at Sat Chit Ananada without indicating that this is Saguna and only an indication. Not the ultimate! As I understand it anyway. I didn't want to be correcting so I posed it as a question, for many people who have not been exposed to this philosophy, may stop at Saguna and not take the next intellectual step to Nirguna. Another has said that Ramana said that Saguna, Sat Chit Ananada is just a pointer. I would like that quote, I probably have it in my books somewhere. In the end as the same person pointed out, 'Who wants to know?'. Yes that is so but on discussion boards unless we got involved in some maya there would be no discussions. Om Namah Sivaya....Tony. Nisargadatta, " Hur " <Hur1@a...> wrote: > Dear Tony, > > With the help of the " I am That " glossary, let me try to understand > your question by defining some of the terms and then you tell me if > this is what you are asking for. > > Nirguna: the Unconditioned, without attributes, (nir, without + guna, > attribute). > > Saguna: Manifested condition with the three 'gunas' -- sattva, rajas > and tamas. The Supreme Absolute conceived of as possessing qualities > like love, mercy etc., as distinguised from the Undifferentiated > Absolute of the Advaita Vedanta. > > Sad-chit: The transcendental condition of the universal > potentiality. > > Ananda: Bliss, happiness (a, to + nand, to rejoice) > > Sat-chit-ananda: Once I heard Eli-Jaxon Bear define this term > as " Consciousness of Being is Bliss, " and since it's in a sentence > form, I like it. > > Without getting into the philosophical debate at this point, based on > the terms alone, the logical answer would be since sad-chit is a > manifested attribute in the true nature of (our) being, yes we are > talking about Saguna (manifested), not Nirguna (Unmanifested). > > I realize one can raise all sorts of questions from this conclusion > but we can leave that to another email. > > Best regards, > > Hur > Nisargadatta, " Tony O'Clery " <aoclery> wrote: > > Namaste All, > > > > This is a question that I have posed without any response all over > the > > place. > > > > Is it not that the I, I, can only be, sat chit ananda. Now as this > is > > an attribute, is it not that we are talking of Saguna not Nirguna > > Brahman. I would be interested in your opinions on this......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2001 Report Share Posted April 4, 2001 The literal translation of Sat-chit-ananda (or Satchidananda, this is all transliterated from another alphabet and is just the 'sound' of the phrase as it would appear in English) is " Being-Consciousness- Bliss. " Sometimes also translated as " Absolute Being-Consciousness- Bliss. " Nisargadatta, " Miguel Angel Carrasco " <macf12@w...> wrote: > Hur wrote: > [...] > > Sat-chit-ananda: Once I heard Eli-Jaxon Bear define this term > > as " Consciousness of Being is Bliss, " and since it's in a sentence > > form, I like it. > > The sentence you refer to was also said by Nisargadatta: > " It is being-awareness-bliss. Awareness of being is bliss. " (I Am That, > page 210) > > Miguel-Angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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