Guest guest Posted April 7, 2001 Report Share Posted April 7, 2001 Excerpt from Consciousness and the Absolute 1-13-81. What am I telling you? You are not the body. You are the conscious presence. Accept it, and you can forget it. In the future, I will not be able to go into the problems of each one of you. I will simply tell you, " This is false, or this is the truth. " You can accept what I say, or you can leave. Questioner: I don't have the capacity, to accept what Maharaj has given me. Maharaj: If you don't think you have the capacity, then you can go elsewhere. I am not concerned, with any state which is temporary. This consciousness state, is not of my choosing. The sooner it goes, the better. Once it is known, what is temporary, and what one's original state is, no further knowledge is needed. As soon as consciousness stirred, space and time came. It has a time limit. In this space-time, everyone suffers. So why should I accept this suffering, as something unique? I was always in that blissful, complete, total state. Suddenly I am in this imperfect state. Those who have apperceived my knowledge, will not fall prey to the logic, or spirituality expounded by others. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 Nisargadatta, elizabethwells2001 wrote: > Excerpt from > Consciousness and the Absolute > 1-13-81. > > > > > What am I telling you? > > You are not the body. > > You are the conscious > presence. > > Accept it, > and you can forget it. > > > > > In the future, > I will not be able to go into > the problems of each one of you. > > I will simply tell you, > " This is false, or this is the truth. " > > You can accept what I say, > or you can leave. > > > > Questioner: > I don't have the capacity, > to accept what Maharaj has > given me. > > > > Maharaj: > If you don't think you have > the capacity, then you can > go elsewhere. > > > > I am not concerned, > with any state which > is temporary. > > > > This consciousness state, > is not of my choosing. > > The sooner it goes, > the better. > > > > > Once it is known, > > what is temporary, > and what one's original state is, > > no further knowledge is needed. > > > > > As soon as consciousness > stirred, space and time came. > > It has a time limit. > > In this space-time, > everyone suffers. > > So why should I accept this > suffering, as something unique? > > > > > I was always in that blissful, > complete, total state. > > Suddenly I am in this > imperfect state. > > > > > Those who have apperceived > my knowledge, will not fall prey > to the logic, or spirituality > expounded by others. > > > > . Concerning your 'Dear Abby', .. my guess was right: you practice an attitude out of what sombodyElse has said. Nisar. has said that. You merely quote. And then do some conceptual comparing and conclusion. And try to live according to that, as attitude. I've done that for years !.. but stopped long ago. It's a sad escape-mode, and arrogant ambiton. That's why you cannot Hear. That's the way your 'song' sounds to me. Hope, you'll come to see the point of my sharing.. though a mere 'temporal nonsense'. JB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2001 Report Share Posted April 10, 2001 Nisargadatta, elizabethwells2001 wrote: > Excerpt from > Consciousness and the Absolute > 1-13-81. > > > > > What am I telling you? > > You are not the body. > > You are the conscious > presence. > > Accept it, > and you can forget it. > > > > > In the future, > I will not be able to go into > the problems of each one of you. > > I will simply tell you, > " This is false, or this is the truth. " > > You can accept what I say, > or you can leave. > > > > Questioner: > I don't have the capacity, > to accept what Maharaj has > given me. > > > > Maharaj: > If you don't think you have > the capacity, then you can > go elsewhere. > > > > I am not concerned, > with any state which > is temporary. > > > > This consciousness state, > is not of my choosing. > > The sooner it goes, > the better. > > > > > Once it is known, > > what is temporary, > and what one's original state is, > > no further knowledge is needed. > > > > > As soon as consciousness > stirred, space and time came. > > It has a time limit. > > In this space-time, > everyone suffers. > > So why should I accept this > suffering, as something unique? > > > > > I was always in that blissful, > complete, total state. > > Suddenly I am in this > imperfect state. > > > > > Those who have apperceived > my knowledge, will not fall prey > to the logic, or spirituality > expounded by others. > Besides the intensity of this talk I would like to point out that it was written about eight months before Maharaj dropped the body. He is physically very ill and is telling all who come to him what he knows he has patience for and what really is the nitty gritty. I think context is very important because it brings the truth to life for us. Maharaj was not abstract, he was fully engaged in life. Even though his teachings can get to be like the most precise and scientific, they are also grounded in life. And what was going on for Maharaj at this time was that he had throat cancer. He was not going to waste anytime with intellectual speculation and questions which were not essential. His body was wracked with pain and he was only fixed on the essential. Every word was a blessing by January 1981, it took alot of effort to produce each one. I wasn't there, but I know that this is true! Cathy > > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2001 Report Share Posted April 10, 2001 Nisargadatta, cathywb@p... wrote: > Nisargadatta, elizabethwells2001 wrote: > > Excerpt from > > Consciousness and the Absolute > > 1-13-81. > > > > > > > > > > What am I telling you? > > > > You are not the body. > > > > You are the conscious > > presence. > > > > Accept it, > > and you can forget it. > > > > > > > > > > In the future, > > I will not be able to go into > > the problems of each one of you. > > > > I will simply tell you, > > " This is false, or this is the truth. " > > > > You can accept what I say, > > or you can leave. > > > > > > > > Questioner: > > I don't have the capacity, > > to accept what Maharaj has > > given me. > > > > > > > > Maharaj: > > If you don't think you have > > the capacity, then you can > > go elsewhere. > > > > > > > > I am not concerned, > > with any state which > > is temporary. > > > > > > > > This consciousness state, > > is not of my choosing. > > > > The sooner it goes, > > the better. > > > > > > > > > > Once it is known, > > > > what is temporary, > > and what one's original state is, > > > > no further knowledge is needed. > > > > > > > > > > As soon as consciousness > > stirred, space and time came. > > > > It has a time limit. > > > > In this space-time, > > everyone suffers. > > > > So why should I accept this > > suffering, as something unique? > > > > > > > > > > I was always in that blissful, > > complete, total state. > > > > Suddenly I am in this > > imperfect state. > > > > > > > > > > Those who have apperceived > > my knowledge, will not fall prey > > to the logic, or spirituality > > expounded by others. > > > > Besides the intensity of this talk I would like to point out that it > was written about eight months before Maharaj dropped the body. He is > physically very ill and is telling all who come to him what he knows he > has patience for and what really is the nitty gritty. I think context > is very important because it brings the truth to life for us. Maharaj > was not abstract, he was fully engaged in life. Even though his > teachings can get to be like the most precise and scientific, they are > also grounded in life. And what was going on for Maharaj at this time > was that he had throat cancer. He was not going to waste anytime with > intellectual speculation and questions which were not essential. His > body was wracked with pain and he was only fixed on the essential. > Every word was a blessing by January 1981, it took alot of effort to > produce each one. > I wasn't there, but I know that this is true! > Cathy > > > > > > . ### Yes Cathy, I know this fact. I've read several books by him. So it is understandable, that nhe had to cut down on his output somewhere,.. like talking about the 1001 possible specific daily problems. But _we_ (hopefully) do not have any cancer problem.. I, at least, have these 'other' 'temporary' existential problems, which I do not see why it should be regarded as a no-no to enquire into. Then, I might come to a more and more basic/essential problem. That's the way I see it, without insisting that it is the absolute truth. But to say, that we all have a 'terminal disease', is also so. And since I am not out of temporality,.. I am doing what I am doing. If I was to be concerned only with quotes about In-temporality/The Eternal, I would still be in temporality. This is what I meant. Have a good day, JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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