Time Is The Child.... Concluded.

[Guest guest]

From " The Nectar of Immortality -- Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj's

Discourses on the Eternal " ([very wordily] edited by Robert Powell,

PhD)

 

Note to the list -- The chapters in this book are long, so only

excerpts are presented here. V denotes " Visitor, " " M " indicates

Maharaj's response.

 

 

Chapter 3 - Time is the Child of a Barren Woman (Continued from

Message #1202)

 

V: I was trying to follow a path through which this beingness could

experience the " non-beingness, " which amounts to the manifest

experiencing the Unmanifest. Right from the start we must understand

its impossibility.

 

M: I have been telling you the same thing. You should do plenty of

deep meditation. The beingness should totally merge in the " non-

being " state. Every day I get rid of my stress and strain when going

into deep sleep. In this way, I forget myself, undergoing oblivion

and relaxation. Thus, the beingness should be lost in the " non-

beingness. "

 

When the dhyana-yoga is done correctly, the beingness dissolves

gradually into " non-beingness. " In the intermediate state between

deep sleep and waking, a dream vista presents itself. Similarly, in

deep meditation, all the necessary wisdom is revealed to you. After

understanding all this and realizing that the manifest world is

unreal, do you still consider yourself a personality? The beingness

state is the manifest state. It is not individualistic; it is made

up of the five elements, three gunas and prakriti-purush -- the

female and male principle. The beingness later merges into " non-

beingness. "

 

That is why I say my process is atma-yoga, which means abidance in

the Self. When the " non-being " state becomes the being state, the

world, along with so many things, came into existence. As per my

guru's directive, I became one with the beingness. Beingness means

having the vision that one is the entire dynamic universe. When one

transcends individuality, one is the manifest beingness only. In

this process the Unmanifest reveals itself.

 

V: This is what Maharaj calls meditation; that is, to remain in the

state of beingness.

 

M: There is no creator and nobody created me.

 

V: The creator is already the manifest. First we need the sense of

being before we become the creator.

 

M: The creation takes place through his mind and concepts. Through

the humming in his mind, his world is created. Even if you are

alone, your mental blabbering and chattering go on.

 

V: Also, the mind is created.

 

M: Yes, but when? When the " non-being " turns into being, then only

the mind appears and functions. Only a very rare person, one in a

million, will take the correct delivery of my talks.

 

V: Once the delivery is taken, there is no " person. "

 

M: There is no question of " yours " or " mine. " In the ocean of my

manifestation, millions like you are crawling around, like waves and

ripples.

 

V: With the exception of a guru, all others are ripples.

 

M: But what is a guru? Is he a material sustained on a piece of

bread?

 

V: It is another word for the indescribable. My guru told me that

first I as an individual should accept a guru, and that the guru

would lead me initially to the manifest and then to the Unmanifest.

 

M: But the guru is the manifest state. If you accept individuality

you will not make progress. You must identify with the manifest

totality from the first moment of daybreak. The light of complete

clarity is flooding all round. In this way you identify with the

manifest as a whole, you are all-pervading. On the other hand, if

you hold on to an individual entity, you cannot progress. Since

death is inevitable, why should I not abide by the directive of my

guru? By following him implicitly, effortlessly and spontaneously,

the manifest becomes the unmanifest, beingness merges in the " non-

beingness. " Unmanifest means total quietude and rest; then there is

no birth and death, no coming and going.

 

Worldly activities are not possible without the humming of

beingness. Individuality and manifestation are the outcome of

the " non-being " state turning into beingness, like the waking of a

person from deep slumber. A person in deep sleep and the person

fully awake are one and the same. The one who sleeps is also the one

who wakes up.

 

V: The waking state is another word for the world.

 

M: Waking means total world manifestation.

 

V: When he is awakened, he always goes back to dualism.

 

M: Because I talk to you, you continue to talk to me. If you know

any earnest person, bring him also here.

 

V: Very rarely I tell somebody to come here; once or twice, I have

done so.

 

M: I like people who are eager to understand. I throw out anybody

who likes only to argue for the sake of arguing.

 

I ever abide in the Unmanifest. But everything happens due to the

power of yogamaya, the beingness, which is also the manifest state.

 

A great Marathi poet refers to the Unmanifest state in his poems, and

brings out the following. " Just think of a barren woman, untouched

by anyone, who conceives and delivers a child. " In the same manner,

the yogamaya has delivered the manifest world. That is, the

beingness, which is the outcome of the food-essence body, has

projected this manifestation, and it is the image of my guru. The

Unmanifest and the manifest, the yogamaya, can never be together.

 

V: A person translated the book " I Am That " into a foreign language,

and he wants to give it the title of Tat-Tvam-Asi. "

 

M: I do not like that. Either keep the title " I Am That " or none at

all.

 

V: But Mr. Maurice Frydman has agreed.

 

M: I do not agree. And also do not dilute the contents of the book

with your understanding, even though you may consider yourself a

Jnani. Do it the same way Frydman did; the exact and original text

should be translated, with no modifications.

 

V: I now realize after meditation that the essence of your teachings

is contained in " I Am That. "

 

M: If you want to realize the meaning of " I Am That, " go into deep

meditation, but " you, " the manifest, should merge in " You, " the

Unmanifest. That is the ultimate meaning. Whatever experience I get

of the world and God, is not due to any favor or obligation of God

but is entirely due to me, because of my state. If I were not, I

would not have had the experience. I did prevail and do prevail

always. Because of my beingness I experience the world. I now see

clearly the oneness in the teachings of three seers or 'acharyas' --

Shankara, Madhava and Ramanuja.

 

All the creations emanate from the moolamaya, the primary illusion

and its secret humming. All words, talks and titles refer to those

emanations. Similarly, all these images are the chatterings and

expressions of somebody. The images are the products of the love-

talk and coming together of two persons.

 

The state of beingness is termed as God. The godly state is the

entire manifestation. It is my state in experiencing; it is

duality. But my Unmanifest state is non-dual, and in that state

there is no experiencing and manifestation. I, the Absolute, am not

the state of being.

 

In spite of all the spiritual knowledge, you are not inclined to give

up the experiences at the body-mind level. If you do not identify

with the body-mind sense, you will transcend into the beingness

first, and later, you will transcend even the beingness. However,

you want to keep your individuality at the body-mind level as well as

experience and be in both the beingness and " non-beingness " states,

which is impossible.

 

I, the Absolute, am the witness of my beingness, which is the total

manifestation. This state is being glorified with very high

attributes, such as God, Maheshwar etc. and worshipped by many

people. To them, such a talk of mine may smack of mischief.

 

V: If I say " I am not That, " then there is also " I am That. "

 

M: Experience does not mean the experiencer.

 

V: The experiencer is experienced. The experiencer is an object, but

is taken for a subject. I experience you and " I Am " is an object,

but is treated as a subject. Is it an illusion to see an object as

subject?

 

M: If you say you talk, you are a liar. All this talk of yours is

intellectual, only in reply to my talk. Do you directly practice

what you talk?

 

V: It is practice. I have been looking everywhere for an " I. "

Wherever I go in search of " me, " I am not there.

 

M: " I " is not the word " I, " it is everything.

 

V: " I " as an individual am not able to get to that everything.

 

M: I do not accuse anyone of being a personality. You identify

yourself as an individual. Fear of death does not allow you to

transcend into beingness.

 

V: Only the false wants to continue as the false.

 

M: " I, " the Absolute, am not the personal " I. " The personal " I "

cannot tolerate the impersonal beingness and is afraid of death.

 

The factual, eternal " I, " the Absolute, has no fear of death.

 

That which you want to sustain, nourish and maintain by five-

elemental stuff, is not you. Since you identify with something

unreal, there is the fear of death.

 

" You, " the Absolute, are not the personal " you. " But for all the

twenty-four hours, the personal entity " you " is watched, nourished

and protected so that it may continue on and on. In short, you

watch, nourish, protect and guard that which you are not in actuality.

 

V: When you meet a lion, you have two alternatives. Either you run

away or you allow yourself to be eaten by it.

 

M: There is a third alternative. You threaten the lion since either

way it is going to kill you. So why die like a coward out of fear?

Attack it bravely and knock out some of its teeth.

 

One who is afraid of time becomes a prey of time. But time itself

becomes a prey of that one who is not afraid of it.

 

One who transcends time, the beingness and its attributes, abides in

the Absolute.

 

A Jnani consumes time continuously, while all others are being

devoured by it. A Jnani is beyond time, (the five) elements,

attributes and emotions.

 

V: We have to be very careful that we do not set up something as real

that one intends to consume.

 

M: You presume to be a Jnani but you are filled up with so much

stuff. To fear time is like fearing an unborn child.

 

V: I did not state that I consider myself to be a Jnani.

 

M: Time is the child of a barren woman. [Maharaj is pointing to the

visitor and another person.] Both of you are eminent personalities

known for spirituality and you have come well armed to attack me.

But I tell you, you cannot locate me.

 

Why am I not afraid of time? Because even the dissolution of this

manifest universe, the Brahman, cannot destroy me. Prior to, during

and after the dissolution, I, the Absolute, ever prevail, untouched,

untainted and unchanged.

 

While dying, with what identity will you die? If you are certain of

your death, why suffer a lowly death? Die nobly and honorably.

Before death, be the Highest, be the Infinite, the Absolute.

 

January 14th 1980

 

.... Transcribed by the beingness ...

[Guest guest]

Dear Skye,

 

Nisargadatta, " skye chambers " <skyechambers@b...> wrote:

> This is fabulous Tim,

>

> It could not have come at a better time for me. I have the same

> copy here and sat back and read and read and it all came

> together, so simply! These have been wonderful Easter days for

> me, so many hands reached down to help.

>

> Thank you for being one of them.

 

" You're welcome " as the appropriate reply, but who chose to post

this? No doer, nobody chose, nobody here -- " the beingness posted

it " -- a 'movement' of love.

 

If there was really a 'somebody' named Tim who could choose, it seems

doubtful he would choose to write something this long, without

knowing even if anyone would bother to read, but this is

speculation. Seeing 'the moment', only 'what is, is'. Looking back

into memory, no 'doer' is evident.

 

> P.S For some reason i can't find words very well at the moment,

> back soon with question

 

Why not allow the question to drop, or just leave it alone...

any 'answer' will result in further questions arising, which in turn

will be answered, causing yet more questions to arise... The whole

cycle is a 'child of a barren woman.' When no more questions arise

(or the need for answers stops, same thing) the cycle is ended.

 

Namaste,

 

Tim (a label for the beingness)

[Guest guest]

From " The Nectar of Immortality -- Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj's

Discourses on the Eternal " ([very wordily] edited by Robert

Powell,

PhD)

 

Chapter 3 - Time is the Child of a Barren Woman (Continued from

Message #1202)

 

 

 

This is fabulous Tim,

 

It could not have come at a better time for me. I have the same

copy here and sat back and read and read and it all came

together, so simply! These have been wonderful Easter days for

me, so many hands reached down to help.

 

Thank you for being one of them.

 

..

 

Love

Skye

 

P.S For some reason i can't find words very well at the moment,

back soon with question

 

 

Unless.....

 

M: " Similarly, in

deep meditation, all the necessary wisdom is revealed to you.

After

understanding all this and realizing that the manifest world is

unreal, do you still consider yourself a personality? The

beingness

state is the manifest state. It is not individualistic; it is

made

up of the five elements, three gunas and prakriti-purush -- the

female and male principle. The beingness later merges into " non-

beingness. "

[Guest guest]

Thanks, remind me to keep my mouth SHUT in the future as well :-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Skye,

 

Nisargadatta, " skye chambers " <skyechambers@b...>

wrote:

> This is fabulous Tim,

>

> It could not have come at a better time for me. I have the

same

> copy here and sat back and read and read and it all came

> together, so simply! These have been wonderful Easter days

for

> me, so many hands reached down to help.

>

> Thank you for being one of them.

 

" You're welcome " as the appropriate reply, but who chose to post

this? No doer, nobody chose, nobody here -- " the beingness

posted

it " -- a 'movement' of love.

 

If there was really a 'somebody' named Tim who could choose, it

seems

doubtful he would choose to write something this long, without

knowing even if anyone would bother to read, but this is

speculation. Seeing 'the moment', only 'what is, is'. Looking

back

into memory, no 'doer' is evident.

 

> P.S For some reason i can't find words very well at the moment,

> back soon with question

 

Why not allow the question to drop, or just leave it alone...

any 'answer' will result in further questions arising, which in

turn

will be answered, causing yet more questions to arise... The

whole

cycle is a 'child of a barren woman.' When no more questions

arise

(or the need for answers stops, same thing) the cycle is ended.

 

Namaste,

 

Tim (a label for the beingness)

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks, remind me to keep my

mouth SHUT in the future as well :-)

 

What? And miss those " pearly whites " ?

<grin>

 

It's an open and shut case here --

so let's shut the case

by opening the case...

 

And this detective says the case is solved,

the culprit escaped with the loot,

and nothing was removed ...

 

Dan