Guest guest Posted April 24, 2001 Report Share Posted April 24, 2001 Good morning to all light bulbs, The problem is the attempt to use experiences of white blobs of light to try to escape perceived tension or ordinariness of " diversity " or " difference " ... When the attempt to escape ceases, clarity is that this diversity does not need to be escaped, and that it is the attempt to have an escape (have a special experience, be " on a different plane " , " know the 'I AM' " ) that creates the " escaper " . Similarly, there is no thinker without the thought, but a rapid succession of thoughts creates the image of an ongoing thinker. The thinker, perceiver, and escaper are linked aspects of the same phenomena. The way that diversity, difference, and perception function, when there is no attempted escaper, is with/as clarity, totality itself. Namaste, Dan Hi Dan, Is there something 'wrong' with blobs of light? ;-) Sincerely, Vice-Chairman, Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Lightbulbs (SPCL) http://www.spcl.org Funding for this message provided by: TheLampStore -- " We take all your lighting needs seriously! " -- and by -- Sunbather's Association of America (SAA) Nisargadatta, Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> wrote: > It's not at all a blob of light. > All this " diversity " is " it " . > > It's not a tricky way to think. > Who's being tricked? > Only the thinker that appears > with the thought, and thinks > that thought is made by > him. > > Namaste, > Dan > > > >Hi > > > >.. 'being caught in intrigueing thought and verbiage. > >.. it seems to me, that some of us, become terribly proficient at > >fabricating koan-like cryptic thinking/'wisdom', that we smack the > >other with, in the name of 'killing the ego'... > >and supreme wisdom, and simplicity. > >The Advaita-mind-full person, can be excellent at riding on and > >changing between 2 different ('non-dual') sets of trails.. > >like (1) " there is Only That,.. Only Consciousness, all the rest is > >also that, so why do you bother to make a problem out of it ?.. when > >it (the rest) really does not exist.. your pain, Hitler, your > >thoughts of a chockolate cake, your cancer or your boss'.. > >which are also That " ,.. > >.. a kind of mashing all the ingredients/vegetables into a blob of a > >Soup-Only..: > > " thinking is out,silly! " .. the undeferientiated Soup is the real > >thing,.. > >.. a powerfull tool, to deliver an effective 'you're an idiot'- > >classification... > >and if your mind is not as subtle/clever with words as the > >deliverer's, then you might tend to succumb into your new status as a > >hopeless and dualistic idiot.(to which they would say: 'that's > >fine !,.. that's also That'. > > > >..but, (2) according to their (the experts') convenience, they > >quickly can indulge in the 'vegges' and thinking..just to confound > >the listener.. and perhaps impress... ( " it's all Consciousness, so > >why not ? " ,.. But If -you- do it, then you don't do it right (non- > >dualistically)...!) > >And most likely, they _do_ sincerely feel/think, that > >they 'understand/know'. > > > >And to these 2 thinking-trails, one can always say: 'so what, these > >are also That, .. very simple, you dummy !'.. > >and that's that. > >.. but I doubt, a tricky self-deluding mind, is 'simple'.. > >.. it seems to me to be, just another case of an 'efficient' Paradigm. > > > >I do not criticize anyone, and I do not say that some do not 'know'.. > >but often, it smells to me more and more of a rather mean/tortureous- > >ego-game going on, in the name of non-dualism... > >(Politicians, are experts at that) > >which to a 'normal' human, would sound like a non-sane mad-house ... > >.. which might very well, actually be. > > > >jb. Sponsor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2001 Report Share Posted April 24, 2001 Also, 'Dan' often appears to have little sense of humor, and 'unintentionally misses obvious jokes' ;-). Certainly this is only 'appearance', since there is no doer and no time in which to laugh <LOL!> Is this a problem? How can there be problems when the idea of 'problem' arises with the 'perceiver of a problem'? So there is no problem, an impression of 'Dan is beyond' appears to appear (but it isn't really so, only appearance) and laughter doesn't arise -- there being no doer and nothing to laugh about. <Still Laughing> :-). Joy & Endless Blessings, Tim Nisargadatta, Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> wrote: > Good morning to all light bulbs, > > The problem is the attempt to > use experiences of white > blobs of light to try to > escape perceived tension > or ordinariness of > " diversity " or " difference " ... > > When the attempt to escape ceases, > clarity is that this diversity > does not need to be escaped, > and that it is the attempt to > have an escape > (have a special experience, > be " on a different plane " , " know > the 'I AM' " ) that creates the > " escaper " . Similarly, there is > no thinker without the thought, > but a rapid succession of thoughts > creates the image of an ongoing > thinker. The thinker, perceiver, > and escaper are linked aspects > of the same phenomena. > > The way that diversity, difference, > and perception function, when > there is no attempted escaper, > is with/as clarity, totality itself. > > Namaste, > Dan > > > >Hi Dan, > > > >Is there something 'wrong' with blobs of light? ;-) > > > >Sincerely, > > > >Vice-Chairman, > >Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Lightbulbs (SPCL) > ><http://www.spcl.org>http://www.spcl.org > > > >Funding for this message provided by: > > > >TheLampStore -- > > " We take all your lighting needs seriously! " > >-- and by -- > >Sunbather's Association of America (SAA) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 Tim - It's very funny hearing you say Dan often appears to " unintentionally miss obvious jokes... " ...in light of your very frequent references to the unreality of any volition. The joke you mentioned was of course obvious, so more fun here to treat it seriously ... And getting this serious reply from you, is indeed humorous ... And how now do you distinguish what is intentional and unintentional behavior? Endless laughing blessings, Dan At 03:39 AM 4/25/01 +0000, you wrote: Also, 'Dan' often appears to have little sense of humor, and 'unintentionally misses obvious jokes' ;-). Certainly this is only 'appearance', since there is no doer and no time in which to laugh <LOL!> Is this a problem? How can there be problems when the idea of 'problem' arises with the 'perceiver of a problem'? So there is no problem, an impression of 'Dan is beyond' appears to appear (but it isn't really so, only appearance) and laughter doesn't arise -- there being no doer and nothing to laugh about. <Still Laughing> :-). Joy & Endless Blessings, Tim Nisargadatta, Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> wrote: > Good morning to all light bulbs, > > The problem is the attempt to > use experiences of white > blobs of light to try to > escape perceived tension > or ordinariness of > " diversity " or " difference " ... > > When the attempt to escape ceases, > clarity is that this diversity > does not need to be escaped, > and that it is the attempt to > have an escape > (have a special experience, > be " on a different plane " , " know > the 'I AM' " ) that creates the > " escaper " . Similarly, there is > no thinker without the thought, > but a rapid succession of thoughts > creates the image of an ongoing > thinker. The thinker, perceiver, > and escaper are linked aspects > of the same phenomena. > > The way that diversity, difference, > and perception function, when > there is no attempted escaper, > is with/as clarity, totality itself. > > Namaste, > Dan > > > >Hi Dan, > > > >Is there something 'wrong' with blobs of light? ;-) > > > >Sincerely, > > > >Vice-Chairman, > >Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Lightbulbs (SPCL) > ><http://www.spcl.org>http://www.spcl.org > > > >Funding for this message provided by: > > > >TheLampStore -- > > " We take all your lighting needs seriously! " > >-- and by -- > >Sunbather's Association of America (SAA) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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