Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Nisargadatta, " Omkara " <coresite@h...> wrote: > > Dear List, > > Sorry, this got posted to the 'wrong list'. Apologies to the group, > it was intended for the Nonduality Salon list. > > Namaste, > > Tim > > Nisargadatta, " Omkara " <coresite@h...> wrote: > > > > Hi Jan, > > > > As a test, here's one proposed... is it possible to have 'hurt > > feelings'? Is there possibility of a perception of " personal > attack " > > and thus a 'hurt feeling' resulting from 'ego-reaction' (maybe even > > leading to anger and desire to 'lash back')? > > > > The test you proposed, " Is there still the possibility of fear " > can't > > necessarily be verified. It requires a 'perceiver' or 'witness of > > fear' in order to verify it. Also, even amoeba have an automatic > > reaction to move away from 'irritating stimulus' -- how to explain > > this? It could potentially be labeled 'fear'. > > > > If there are 'hurt feelings' however, there is always a 'default > > perceiver' of those feelings ('me'), and an automatic reaction can > > always be noted by that 'perceiver'. It is also a spontaneous, > > uncontrollable 'reaction' that happens immediately after perception > > of 'personal attack'. > > > > Anyway, that's 'my' proposed 'test'. If no trace of 'hurt > feelings' > > or perception of 'personal attack', that's enough of an indication > > there is nobody to 'feel hurt'. > > > > Joy & Blessings, > > > > Tim Namaste All, My take is that hurt feelings are due to erroneous localisation of illusory consciousness or ego. Its real whilst one is in it, said Sankara. They are just energy movements, upon which we give a name and attribute. Maharaj doesn't go on much about anything but Praneaswara, or Saguna Brahman. Indicating that we are just whirlpools in that great illusion. Again volition is just karma being acted out anyway, with no moving from us. We are imagining we are doing what was going to be done, or rather has been is being done already. We get illusory karma from the delusion of action in a non existant energy universe. Om Namah Sivaya....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Hi Tony, This seems " all good " from an intellectual standpoint, but Understanding is beyond the mind, beyond thought, beyond 'my words' or 'your words' on the subject. Even beyond Nisargadatta's words. One of 'my favorite words' lately has been " beyond, " because there's nothing else that describes Understanding. It's just " Beyond. " Even " it's " isn't a useful pointer, because 'it' isn't an 'it'. Just knowing mentally that " everything perceivable and conceivable is unreal " is not " that Understanding which can't be spoken about. " Namaste, Tim Nisargadatta, " Tony O'Clery " <aoclery> wrote: > Namaste All, > > My take is that hurt feelings are due to erroneous localisation of > illusory consciousness or ego. Its real whilst one is in it, said > Sankara. They are just energy movements, upon which we give a name > and attribute. > Maharaj doesn't go on much about anything but Praneaswara, or Saguna > Brahman. Indicating that we are just whirlpools in that great > illusion. > Again volition is just karma being acted out anyway, with no moving > from us. We are imagining we are doing what was going to be done, or > rather has been is being done already. We get illusory karma from the > delusion of action in a non existant energy universe. > > Om Namah Sivaya....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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