Guest guest Posted May 4, 2001 Report Share Posted May 4, 2001 Namaste Tony -- What doesn't arise and doesn't depart can't be named -- can't be compared -- It could be said, then, that everything arises and departs -- there is only transition. Not transition of something that becomes something else. Just transition -- and not to get somewhere. What is not in transition, no one can give its name or its place. Saying there is an " it " that is not in transition is, therefore, false -- regardless of attempts to define being or consciousness as such an " it " . Peace, Dan Dan Pranam! A few years ago I was visiting my native village in rural India where I ran into a Baba. This Baba was supposed tohave been a follower of samartha Ramdas swami(16th century sage who wrote Dasabodh- often quoted by Siddharameshwar swami). This Baba seemed to have answers to all questions - but most people warned me that the man has lost his mind. Out of curiosity I went to see him - I asked him a very profound question in my native Marathi " What is Aham Brahmasmi? " Baba replied 'it is a sound'. Then I asked him by what means can one achieve it? The reply came 'it is a sound - akasa'. Obviously I was not communicating, so I wrote on a piece of paper " Brahmasmi? " and showed it to him. He replied that 'it is an image - teja'. Then he looked at my exasperated face and replied 'ashtadha prakrati'. The man did not say a word after that. He had 'lost his mind'. Dan, there is only transition or ashtdha prakrati. (Ashtadha(eightfold)prakrati(maya) is five bhutas(sound/akasa,breath -prana/vayu,images/tejas etc.) and three gunas(arise,sustain,subside)) Sounds, images, feelings etc. simply come and go! Sound is, image is, body is, I am, shunya is. Sound, image, body, 'I' thought,shunya will come and go but the 'isness' is Paramanant. The fascinating trap where " I am " stuck is the question " when and how will the transition end? " Any answer is yet another and another and another transient! Jai Jai Raghuveer Samartha! Vijay The (old corny) bartender who knew every foreign language in the world except " Greek " and every foreign language to him was " Greek " !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2001 Report Share Posted May 5, 2001 Dan Pranam! A few years ago I was visiting my native village in rural India where I ran into a Baba. This Baba was supposed tohave been a follower of samartha Ramdas swami(16th century sage who wrote Dasabodh- often quoted by Siddharameshwar swami). This Baba seemed to have answers to all questions - but most people warned me that the man has lost his mind. Out of curiosity I went to see him - I asked him a very profound question in my native Marathi " What is Aham Brahmasmi? " Baba replied 'it is a sound'. Then I asked him by what means can one achieve it? The reply came 'it is a sound - akasa'. Obviously I was not communicating, so I wrote on a piece of paper " Brahmasmi? " and showed it to him. He replied that 'it is an image - teja'. Then he looked at my exasperated face and replied 'ashtadha prakrati'. The man did not say a word after that. He had 'lost his mind'. Dan, there is only transition or ashtdha prakrati. (Ashtadha(eightfold)prakrati(maya) is five bhutas(sound/akasa,breath -prana/vayu,images/tejas etc.) and three gunas(arise,sustain,subside)) Sounds, images, feelings etc. simply come and go! Sound is, image is, body is, I am, shunya is. Sound, image, body, 'I' thought,shunya will come and go but the 'isness' is Paramanant. The fascinating trap where " I am " stuck is the question " when and how will the transition end? " Any answer is yet another and another and another transient! Jai Jai Raghuveer Samartha! Vijay The (old corny) bartender who knew every foreign language in the world except " Greek " and every foreign language to him was " Greek " !! Hi Vijay! Namaste -- I enjoyed very much hearing what you had to say about this. An excellent teaching story you provided here ... I resonate with the way you expressed this ... There can only be transition and finally, transitoriness (movement) and permanence (stillness, *is*) turn out to be the same thing ... some have called this *all*, some *non-being*, some *interpenetration*, just depends on whether the yang, yin, or yang in yin, yin in yang is emphasized. If transitoriness were not so, there could be some kind of static fixed entity existing on its own, apart from everything. Whenever we try to talk about things, we have to provide some kind of fixed concept or image. Whenever we try to have an experience, we have to provide some kind of sensation or perception that has been located somewhere. Freedom, stillness is this very transitory reality. Not needing any sense that the transition is from something to something else. Its " nowness " is evident. It is neither moving toward, away, nor standing still. Along with the question, " where does the transition end " could be added " where does the transition begin " and also " where is the transition taking place " ? I found awareness of this issue in Buddhist and Taoist teachings, later in Qabalistic Jewish, and later still in Advaitist teachings. Of course, it's now quite possible to find it in science as well. So, this seems like " the teaching " ... appearing in different places, given different images and concepts -- but of course, it is always new, while it is always the same ... Are you really feeling stuck? To be stuck, there has to be someone apart from what is being observed ... The observer is as much in transition as what is observed. With regards to transition, the observer and the observed are the same, which truly has no observer apart and no object or quality to be observed ... Appreciations and blessings, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2001 Report Share Posted May 5, 2001 Nisargadatta, Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> wrote: > > >Dan Pranam! > > > >A few years ago I was visiting my native village in rural India where > >I ran into a Baba. This Baba was supposed tohave been a follower of > >samartha Ramdas swami(16th century sage who wrote Dasabodh- often > >quoted by Siddharameshwar swami). This Baba seemed to have answers to > >all questions - but most people warned me that the man has lost his > >mind. > > > >Out of curiosity I went to see him - I asked him a very profound > >question in my native Marathi " What is Aham Brahmasmi? " Baba replied > >'it is a sound'. Then I asked him by what means can one achieve it? > >The reply came 'it is a sound - akasa'. Obviously I was not > >communicating, so I wrote on a piece of paper " Brahmasmi? " and showed > >it to him. He replied that 'it is an image - teja'. Then he looked at > >my exasperated face and replied 'ashtadha prakrati'. The man did not > >say a word after that. He had 'lost his mind'. > > > >Dan, there is only transition or ashtdha prakrati. > >(Ashtadha(eightfold)prakrati(maya) is five bhutas(sound/akasa,breath > >-prana/vayu,images/tejas etc.) and three gunas(arise,sustain,subside)) > >Sounds, images, feelings etc. simply come and go! > > > >Sound is, image is, body is, I am, shunya is. Sound, image, body, > >'I' thought,shunya will come and go but the 'isness' is Paramanant. > > > >The fascinating trap where " I am " stuck is the question " when and how > >will the transition end? " Any answer is yet another and another and > >another transient! > > > >Jai Jai Raghuveer Samartha! > >Vijay > > > >The (old corny) bartender who knew every foreign language in the > >world except " Greek " and every foreign language to him was " Greek " !! > > > Hi Vijay! > > Namaste -- > I enjoyed very much hearing > what you had to say about this. > An excellent teaching story > you provided here ... > > I resonate with the way > you expressed this ... > > There can only be transition > and finally, transitoriness (movement) > and permanence (stillness, *is*) turn out to > be the same thing ... > some have called this *all*, > some *non-being*, some *interpenetration*, > just depends on whether the > yang, yin, or yang in yin, yin > in yang is emphasized. > > If transitoriness were not so, there could > be some kind of static fixed > entity existing on its own, apart > from everything. > > Whenever we try to talk about things, > we have to provide some kind of > fixed concept or image. Whenever > we try to have an experience, > we have to provide some kind of > sensation or perception that has > been located somewhere. > > Freedom, stillness is this very transitory > reality. > > Not needing any sense that the transition > is from something to something else. > > Its " nowness " is evident. > It is neither moving toward, away, > nor standing still. > > Along with the question, " where does > the transition end " could be added > " where does the transition begin " > and also " where is the transition > taking place " ? > > I found awareness of this issue in Buddhist > and Taoist teachings, later in Qabalistic > Jewish, and later still in Advaitist > teachings. Of course, it's now quite > possible to find it in science as well. > > So, this seems like " the teaching " ... > appearing in different places, given > different images and concepts -- > but of course, it is always new, > while it is always the same ... > > Are you really feeling stuck? > > To be stuck, there has to be someone > apart from what is being observed ... > > The observer is as much in transition > as what is observed. > With regards to transition, the observer > and the observed are the same, which > truly has no observer apart and no > object or quality to be observed ... > > Appreciations and blessings, > Dan Dear Dan Your resonant transients released the stuck 'I am' into struck, strummed,strunged ..transients How true! transitoriness and Paramanantness turn out to be the same ....observer is a transient There is no transition from something to something ... intense random Bhajan(chanting) is a perfect illustration of transition turning into a being - like the colors on a 'top' disappear when it's revolving. love and blessings Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2001 Report Share Posted May 6, 2001 Dear Dan Your resonant transients released the stuck 'I am' into struck, strummed,strunged ..transients How true! transitoriness and Paramanantness turn out to be the same ....observer is a transient There is no transition from something to something ... intense random Bhajan(chanting) is a perfect illustration of transition turning into a being - like the colors on a 'top' disappear when it's revolving. love and blessings Vijay Beautiful, Vijay. Wonderful sharing this transitory moment of no duration and endless resonance ... Love, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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