Tony/Suicide

[Guest guest]

Hi Tony,

 

The body survives 'after' Realization because the body

survives 'before' Realization. Realization is not something to be

gained afresh, it is already there (in the words of Ramana

Maharshi).

 

It doesn't (necessarily) affect the body/mind directly... rather,

it's something else entirely, beyond definition.

 

There are no words for it, there is no answer to your question, so

the ancients made up some explanation to satisfy the mind, " prarabdha

karma. " There is no karma 'after' Realization, the wheel is departed

once and for all. The entire concept of 'karma' is for " those who

haven't Realized the Self. "

 

This is the best explanation that can be offered. Don't take the

scriptures at literal face value (please). Especially the

Upanishads, were given in sit-down 'talks' intended for specific

situations and specific people, hundreds of years ago.

 

So were the words of the sages... specific situations. If you

investigate, as to " Who am I? " and do what the sages recommend, you

will find out... so please don't " take my word for it " either.

Investigate and find out, or be content with dream explanations that

satisfy the mind.

 

Namaste,

 

Tim

 

Nisargadatta, " Tony O'Clery " <aoclery> wrote:

> Nisargadatta, " Omkara " <coresite@h...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Tony,

> >

> > Nisargadatta, " Tony O'Clery " <aoclery> wrote:

> > > Namaste Tim,

> > >

> > > Yes all fantasy but why do you think the body survives

> realisation?

> > > ONS Tony.

> >

> > Who said it does? To an 'outside observer', perhaps. To a

sage...

> > ask him. Not taking himself as the body, he'll be just as likely

to

> > reply " which body is being referred to, there are millions of

> bodies. "

> >

> > All bodies are mere appearance. How is " survival " defined except

> " it

> > continues to appear " ... but " to whom? "

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Tim

>

> Namaste Tim,

>

> You avoided the question really. ONS Tony