Guest guest Posted May 10, 2001 Report Share Posted May 10, 2001 Nisargadatta, " Omkara " <coresite@h...> wrote: > > Hi Tony, > > The body survives 'after' Realization because the body > survives 'before' Realization. Realization is not something to be > gained afresh, it is already there (in the words of Ramana > Maharshi). > > It doesn't (necessarily) affect the body/mind directly... rather, > it's something else entirely, beyond definition. > > There are no words for it, there is no answer to your question, so > the ancients made up some explanation to satisfy the mind, " prarabdha > karma. " There is no karma 'after' Realization, the wheel is departed > once and for all. The entire concept of 'karma' is for " those who > haven't Realized the Self. " > > This is the best explanation that can be offered. Don't take the > scriptures at literal face value (please). Especially the > Upanishads, were given in sit-down 'talks' intended for specific > situations and specific people, hundreds of years ago. > > So were the words of the sages... specific situations. If you > investigate, as to " Who am I? " and do what the sages recommend, you > will find out... so please don't " take my word for it " either. > Investigate and find out, or be content with dream explanations that > satisfy the mind. > > Namaste, > > Tim > > Nisargadatta, " Tony O'Clery " <aoclery> wrote: > > Nisargadatta, " Omkara " <coresite@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Tony, > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " Tony O'Clery " <aoclery> wrote: > > > > Namaste Tim, > > > > > > > > Yes all fantasy but why do you think the body survives > > realisation? > > > > ONS Tony. > > > > > > Who said it does? To an 'outside observer', perhaps. To a > sage... > > > ask him. Not taking himself as the body, he'll be just as likely > to > > > reply " which body is being referred to, there are millions of > > bodies. " > > > > > > All bodies are mere appearance. How is " survival " defined except > > " it > > > continues to appear " ... but " to whom? " > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Tim > > > > Namaste Tim, > > > > You avoided the question really. ONS Namaste Tim, A good attempt at the answer! Why do you think that I take scripture literally? After 'realisation', there is no need for a body so why does it live on? I understand your point about it all being illusion etc etc and I agree. However the only explanation for a body living on after realisation is that it is playing out its in built karmas, even if it is impossible for it to accrue anymore......ONS Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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