Stephen/Maharaj and Balsekar

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Hi Stephen,

 

Nisargadatta, " Stephen " <user@p...> wrote:

 

> Would you say that an unenlightened Balsekar can give better

> instruction than an Enlightened Omkara?

 

A most strange question. For one, nobody can give instruction to

another -- 'Enlightenment' is not offered in any classes, as far as I

know, with a certificate upon graduation :-).

 

For another, it can't be determined whether " Balsekar " or " Omkara "

are enlightened, and in fact, these are only 'body/minds' - do

they 'get enlightened'?

 

As stated once on another list, " Reality is already enlightened...

quit bugging it " ;-).

 

> Nisargadatta was of interest to people because he was an

> Enlightened being - not because he as a Guru in the nav-nath sect.

 

He was of interest because he was widely believed as an " Enlightened

being, " yes. But if he were asked, he would say -- " you go here and

there in search of 'superior people'. " And " people come and bow to

me, but they bow to the beingness only. "

 

In truth, Nisargadatta was (and continues to be) of interest because

he said strange and 'incomprehensible' things with absolute sureness,

and because there is an appearance " he had something others lack. "

 

The Beingness is everywhere, including 'right here'. The Guru is

closer than your own skin, yet indeed -- totally focused 'outward' in

search of 'enlightenment', always seeking for what already and

eternally *is*, people do wander about searching for " the nose on the

end of their face. " A strange pursuit, indeed, and a ridiculous

folly.

 

> Balsekar will have to stand on his own - as an Enlightened being or

> interesting teacher.

 

I submit that there is no difference between 'Enlightened being'

and 'interesting teacher' other than maybe some of the words

emanating from mouths -- which of course, cannot contain truth, but

can only 'point' to truth in some kind of side-hand way. Since there

is nothing but truth, even this is strange... paradox upon paradox.

 

> Being a 'successor' to Nisargadatta really doesn't

> mean anything when we're discussing a state of Enlightenment, does

> it?

 

Nope. But were we discussing a state of Enlightenment (which

is 'default', everpresent and can't be discussed), or were we

discussing the only thing that can be discussed -- falsehoods,

untruths, illusions, dreams? These comprises the 'content' of every

post made so far by anyone to this or any other list.

 

Namaste,

 

Tim

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At 02:38 PM 5/12/01 , you wrote:

>A most strange question. For one, nobody can give instruction to

>another -- 'Enlightenment' is not offered in any classes, as far as I

>know, with a certificate upon graduation :-).

 

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Beck