Guest guest Posted May 14, 2001 Report Share Posted May 14, 2001 Nisargadatta, " Omkara " <coresite@h...> wrote: > > Dear El, > > I don't want to give the idea " I'm enlightened. " The body/mind can't > and doesn't 'get enlightened', but something like the exact opposite > occurs... all gets absorbed in/as " Ultimate Understanding " and in > that Supreme Understanding there is no body, no mind, no " I. " > > So Reality is Enlightened... " I " am illusion, and illusion cannot get > enlightened or Realized. Reality has always been " enlightened " and > has been so before the universe came into being, and will be so long > after the universe is dust and cinders. Tim: " If any individual considers himself enlightened, then he is not. The precondition of enlightenment is that the identified individual self has been annihilated. No personal self or individual phenomenon has ever been enlightened. The person disappears along with all other phenomena when he awakens from this dream of existence. " This is from " A Net of Jewels " by Ramesh Balsekar (May 13), the sage and teacher you've expressed such skepticism for the last few days. Michael Souther Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2001 Report Share Posted May 14, 2001 Hiya Tim, - Omkara Nisargadatta Monday, May 14, 2001 12:49 PM El - Re: don't ask, don't tell Dear El,I don't want to give the idea "I'm enlightened." San: But you do. In the very denial is the assertion. And the subtle seeking of an acknowledgment from the "other". If you were not seeking you would not bother to either deny or to affirm. If the subtle seeking of acknowledgment was not the case, there would be a total indifference whether somebody thinks about you as an enlightened sage or an enlightened idiot. ------------------- The body/mind can't and doesn't 'get enlightened', but something like the exact opposite occurs... all gets absorbed in/as "Ultimate Understanding" and in that Supreme Understanding there is no body, no mind, no "I." San: LOL I wish you were around in physical proximity, so that I could show you how much of a body still exists. So Reality is Enlightened... San: Come on Tim. "enlightened" or "unenlightened", both are conceptual terms, neither of which have any relevance to "that" from which all concepts emanate. Conceptually speaking, offcourse. "I" am illusion, and illusion cannot get enlightened or Realized. Reality has always been "enlightened" and has been so before the universe came into being, and will be so long after the universe is dust and cinders. San: And dust and cinders is not Universe? I put a saying up on The Core (my website)..."Reality is already enlightened - quit bugging it!" :-). San: Yeah, you just missed a "Tim" at the end of that statement. LOL Cheers Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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