Guest guest Posted May 23, 2001 Report Share Posted May 23, 2001 The old song and dance, Get down on the floor... " Have to suffer, to suffer, and suffer some more... " Can't leave it alone, can't just 'let it be' " I have to do penance, if i want to be free. " The 'Christian ideal' has poisoned the mind; " Take up your cross, and only *then* you will find. " Even Nisargadatta said " JUST BE and you'll see... " But it sounds way, way, way, way, way, WAY too 'easy'. But it isn't, mind you; it isn't so fun; It becomes obvious, it means 'to-be-no-one'. To give up some pleasures, not too much trouble; But to give up my suffering?!? Run away, on the double! Without suffering, oh, oh, where would I be? So I cling to it tightly; it's the essence of 'me' " Just be, " says Nisargadatta, but he still goes unheard; After thirty plus years, not even a word. Nobody just simply does what he said; To do this, means 'my precious self-image' is dead. The quotes just go on; chapter, page, book and cover; But the words go right in one ear and out the other. .... Omkara ... Nisargadatta, elizabethwells2001 wrote: > Dave: > > Beautifully put. > Agree. > > El > ------------------------------- > ------------------------------- > > > > In Nisargadatta, " D. Sirjue " <dsirju@n...> wrote: > > > " Sometimes the 'temptation' > is to from all mailing > lists and give it up at once, > but so far it hasn't happened :-). " > > Tim. > -------------------- > > > Hi Tim, > > Perhaps it hasn't happened yet > because conversing with > members of this or other lists, > is an extension of your inner dialogue > that maintains and perpetuates > yourself - as you know and > experience yourself. > > This compulsive and repetitive > naming process -I am > this, I am that, I am Tim, > I am happy and so on - > is what maintains your separate > identity. > > So we bunch with others in society > who can reinforce this " self-lie " . > > I'm putting it to you Tim - > to be without a separate structure, > a reference point, is a most terrifying > possibility to the unenlightened mind! > > Ego-death is not some imaginative > game, it is a real fire, it blows to hell > the separative consciousness and all > that goes with it. > > > Look at bonafide sages like Ramana. > > At a young age he was utterly terrified > of death to the point where he lost his > bloody mind. He was not distracted in > the usual fear-remedy " answers " , > like believing in a blue god, mantras, > prayers and so on. He faced the ordeal > as a man, and was ready to die if > necessary. > > Now everyone talks about him, > but are they ready to go through that > process ?.... > > The transformation, if there is any my > friend, is through 'fear', rather than > escaping into any consoling or > distracting gimmicks. > > Avoidance only postpones the > appointed moment that all must > face at some point, either while living > or on the death bed. > > I see it rather as a blessing though, > since " Truth " is revealed and > all that is insecure and transient is > removed. > > When this insight, > when this courage to stand alone > dawns on you, > it doesn't matter whether you leave > all forums or remain. > > Best > ~dave > > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2001 Report Share Posted May 25, 2001 - <elizabethwells2001 <Nisargadatta > Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:50 PM DAVE-- Re: Dave - Apology > Dave: > > Beautifully put. > Agree. > > El Hi El, Just today heard one of my kids singing a familiar rhyme ..Ahcha.. Accha.. it all falls down .. then suddenly silence, ahha ! ~dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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