Guest guest Posted May 31, 2001 Report Share Posted May 31, 2001 From " Nectar of Immortality " Ch. 21 (excerpt) Maharaj: I once felt a sense of individuality, but I do not now have that individuality. The sense of individuality has transformed itself into the universal manifest state. Visitor: Did it happen just like that? M: The moment the name of the disease emerged, the feeling of being an individual arose. Now the sense of individuality is gone and only the feeling of universal consciousness remains. The individuality is gone, together with the identity of body form. The body is not my design, nor am I male or female. Everything happens spontaneously. Who sees that the day has dawned and the sun shines? Could the knowledge of the day be the individual's? The moment one wakes up, the " I-am-ness " arises, which means the sense of being only; later also the sense of body is there. This sense of beingness is all-pervading, and it has no name and no form -- it is existence itself. V: When the body suffers, what actually happens? What is the relationship between the Unmanifest and the body, or between the actual and the illusory appearances in the world? M: They are intimately related. The culture and sentiment of every atom is different, so also every individual is different in this world. There are varieties of expressions in atoms and sub-atoms. V: Is the truth manifest or unmanifest? If the truth manifests through the body, then all the diseases of the body are in the Unmanifest. M: When the Unmanifest manifests, it is called saguna-brahman. This brahman principle is ample, plenty and manifest and comprises the five elements, three gunas and prakriti-purush; it is this that recognizes the sun and the space and is more pervasive and subtler than space even. V: What is all this play about? In this manifest universe, which is the outcome of the Unmanifest, a body suffers from sickness -- the body of Maharaj. As a result, we also suffer, after witnessing the sickness. Why all this nuisance? M: If your " I-am-ness " is not, who would observe the rising of the sun? V: Although you have explained it thousands of times, I still have not understood. M: " Who " and " what, " as such at the highest level, are Nothing; whatever IS, is very clear and obvious. But such a simple fact has turned into a riddle, because that principle has identified itself wrongly with a form, and then takes pride in that identification. It has accepted body as its identity. V: But why should this happen to you through whose body the Unmanifest manifests itself. M: In order to have a reply to this question, you will have to retreat into yourself. Out of this atomic touch, this speck of consciousness, all this magnificent universe has materialized. How and what would you reply to this question: Did it create itself or did it arrange for the creation? Your replies will be mere conjecture and guesswork. What evidence have you that you have births and deaths? What proof have you about rebirth? V: You mean to say that we should remain at the point of emergence of consciousness? Shall we then understand this? M: Yes, I have been telling people exactly that. V: Then you mean to say that unless I stop at the rising of consciousness, I shall not understand this play of the Unmanifest, manifest, body suffering, etc., and that all my talking is actually only blabbering and therefore a mere nuisance. M: Yes, it is just entertainment to pass the time. .... November 20, 1980 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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