Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 Years ago, I read that someone asked Alan Watts why he was still an alcoholic. He was (supposed) to have replied: " Why should I deny the experience of alcoholism to all-that-is? " :-) a.m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 LOL :-). Nisargadatta's answer to why he still smoked was that he only smoked when his sons brought them (also he said " the body has retained a few old habits " ). Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche (a famous Tibetan monk) was also a *very* heavy drinker, I'm sure there are plenty of other examples (I think Osho/Rajneesh took quite a few pills :-). Nisargadatta, firstfyrefly wrote: > > Years ago, I read that someone asked Alan Watts why he was still an > alcoholic. He was (supposed) to have replied: " Why should I deny > the experience of alcoholism to all-that-is? " :-) a.m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 Years ago, I read that someone asked Alan Watts why he was still an alcoholic. He was (supposed) to have replied: " Why should I deny the experience of alcoholism to all-that-is? " :-) a.m. Yeah, right ;-) I thoroughly enjoyed Watts's contributions ... but: Can anyone spell " rationalization? " Here are some useful answers for next life, if he's not perpetuating a " spiritual identity " : " I don't feel like quitting. " " Mind your own business. " " I like it too much to stop. " Another story is that he said, " I don't like myself when I'm sober. " Maybe the stress of maintaining a spiritual persona brought out his compulsivity? Just a guess. And really --who knows? As the ultimate explanation of any thing is the explanation of everything, it is " no explanation " ... " 'All-that-is' having experiences " as an explanation for " this " ? I don't think so ... ;-) Nope -- no " all-that-is " that is having various experiences. Laughing! Love, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 Folks -- there is no such thing as " a spiritual person " ... Funny watching " spiritual persons " find various ways to answer these questions. ;-) What were the Bendictine monks' explanation for inventing " Benedictine " ? Maybe: If Jesus changed water to wine, who am I to object? LOL! Love, Dan LOL :-). Nisargadatta's answer to why he still smoked was that he only smoked when his sons brought them (also he said " the body has retained a few old habits " ). Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche (a famous Tibetan monk) was also a *very* heavy drinker, I'm sure there are plenty of other examples (I think Osho/Rajneesh took quite a few pills :-). Nisargadatta, firstfyrefly wrote: > > Years ago, I read that someone asked Alan Watts why he was still an > alcoholic. He was (supposed) to have replied: " Why should I deny > the experience of alcoholism to all-that-is? " :-) a.m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 Depends on what he meant by " all-that-is " :-). I didn't get the idea he meant to say " All-that-is " is having experiences, nor did I get the idea he was attempting to explain " this. " Rather, he was offering an explanation for drinking alcohol. Seen here, any explanation would suffice -- even " go ask your mother " ;-). NamastetsamaN, Tim Nisargadatta, Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> wrote: > " 'All-that-is' having experiences " > as an explanation for " this " ? I don't > think so ... ;-) > > Nope -- no " all-that-is " that is > having various experiences. > > Laughing! > > Love, > Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 Nisargadatta, Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> wrote: > Folks -- there is no > such thing as " a spiritual person " ... > > Funny watching " spiritual persons " find > various ways to answer these > questions. ;-) What choice do they have? They are labeled as " spiritual persons " (often for purposes of 'teaching') and thus tend to respond " as spiritual people. " Their responses are reflections of the expectations of the questioner(s). NamastetsamaN, Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 Depends on what he meant by " all-that-is " :-). I didn't get the idea he meant to say " All-that-is " is having experiences, nor did I get the idea he was attempting to explain " this. " Rather, he was offering an explanation for drinking alcohol. Seen here, any explanation would suffice -- even " go ask your mother " ;-). NamastetsamaN, Tim How about this one: " hic! " Bless you! Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 > Folks -- there is no > such thing as " a spiritual person " ... > > Funny watching " spiritual persons " find > various ways to answer these > questions. ;-) What choice do they have? They are labeled as " spiritual persons " (often for purposes of 'teaching') and thus tend to respond " as spiritual people. " Their responses are reflections of the expectations of the questioner(s). NamastetsamaN, Tim Sure! Agreed! And what choice does anyone have? " hic! " Love, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 <Laughing>... Dan-ji, why do you drink alcohol? ;-) Bottoms Up, Tim Nisargadatta, Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> wrote: > Sure! > > Agreed! > > And what choice does anyone have? > > " hic! " > > Love, > Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 Nisargadatta, firstfyrefly wrote: > > Years ago, I read that someone asked Alan Watts why he was still an > alcoholic. He was (supposed) to have replied: " Why should I deny > the experience of alcoholism to all-that-is? " :-) a.m. Heh. Sounds like him! I love his writings and talks, but admit his experiences with initiating his teenage sons to LSD kinda bugged me. I have a tape, " Alan Watts Teaches Meditation " in which it is very obvious (in parts) that he is inebriated! -mort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 <Laughing>... Dan-ji, why do you drink alcohol? ;-) Bottoms Up, Tim Hi Tim! To keep the bottles from staying too full! " Hic! " Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 Nisargadatta, Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> wrote: What were the Bendictine monks' explanation for inventing " Benedictine " ? Probably something like, " We can't get any Yukon Jack in these mountains. " -mort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 Hehehehe... Ahh yes, Emptiness! :-). Simply Sober, === Tim Poole === <laugh>... Nisargadatta, Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> wrote: > > ><Laughing>... > > > >Dan-ji, why do you drink alcohol? ;-) > > > >Bottoms Up, > > > >Tim > > Hi Tim! > > To keep the bottles > from staying too full! > > " Hic! " > > Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 Here's another http://www.theonion.com/onion2908/monkgloats.html Ted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2001 Report Share Posted June 17, 2001 Hehehehe... Ahh yes, Emptiness! :-). Simply Sober, === Tim Poole === <laugh>... Hoooooooooo ... The effort to stay sober is far from simple! Emptily Ecstatic, === Benny Diction === <chortle> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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