Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 A man will sacrifice any pleasures you like, but he will not give up his suffering. **** Gurdjieff Happy suffering folks! Youth and exuberance is no match for age and treachery! :-) Judi -- http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htm TheEndOfTheRopeRanch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 Nisargadatta, Judi <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > A man will sacrifice any pleasures you like, > but he will not give up his suffering. > > **** Gurdjieff > > > Happy suffering folks! > This is true when ultimately the " suffering " is more pleasurable than giving it up. There are many reasons why this would be true. " Suffering " can lead to self-pity which is a substitute for true comfort and nurturing, a very strong mind/body need. You got it when you said " Happy suffering. " -mort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 mortivan wrote: > > Nisargadatta, Judi <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > > A man will sacrifice any pleasures you like, > > but he will not give up his suffering. > > > > **** Gurdjieff > > > > > > Happy suffering folks! > > > > This is true when ultimately the " suffering " is more pleasurable than > giving it up. There are many reasons why this would be > true. " Suffering " can lead to self-pity which is a substitute for > true comfort and nurturing, a very strong mind/body need. > > You got it when you said " Happy suffering. " > > -mort > ******* Hey there Mort! And yes, separate identity as such is nothing more than *self* meditation which *is* suffering in a " nutshell " . Pun intended. :-) And speaking about giving it all up, you had me laughing pretty hard there yesterday. :-)) With the blue eyes, wrists and ponies and all. :-) -- Happy Days, Judi http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htm TheEndOfTheRopeRanch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 --- mortivan <mortivan wrote: > Nisargadatta, Judi <judirhodes@e...> > wrote: > > A man will sacrifice any pleasures you like, > > but he will not give up his suffering. > > > > **** Gurdjieff > > > > > > Happy suffering folks! > > > > > This is true when ultimately the " suffering " is more > pleasurable than > giving it up. There are many reasons why this would > be > true. " Suffering " can lead to self-pity which is a > substitute for > true comfort and nurturing, a very strong mind/body > need. > > You got it when you said " Happy suffering. " > > -mort > What is source of suffering? Thinking. Stop thinking and suffering stops. Easier said than done........ Why? I don't know? Good. Leave it at that !! :-)) Let there be peace on earth and goodwill toward all men, RIGHT !!!!!!!!!!!! Michael Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 Michael Johnson wrote: > > > > > > What is source of suffering? > > Thinking. > ***** No. Thinking is not the cause of suffering. " Self " meditation is. What to do? Get over your*self*! See that everything you do and everything you are about, is centered around the business of 'me'. *Self* ishness. And when you see clear to the bottom of it, it drops away of its own. All of your *loving* even is built around the notion of there being a *you*. Self serving only. -- Happy Days, Judi http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htm TheEndOfTheRopeRanch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 Judi wrote: > > Michael Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > What is source of suffering? > > > > Thinking. > > > ***** No. Thinking is not the cause of suffering. " Self " meditation > is. > What to do? Get over your*self*! See that everything you do and > everything > you are about, is centered around the business of 'me'. *Self* > ishness. > And when you see clear to the bottom of it, it drops away of its own. > All of your *loving* even is built around the notion of there being > a *you*. Self serving only. > ****** Join me for lunch? Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 What suffering? :-). i hear talk about it all the time, but where is it? " suffer " -- six alphabetic letters, an s and a u, a couple f's, and the typical " -er " suffix. Also " self. " What's that? First person personal pronoun, in what way does a pronoun " cause " anything?? Get over the whole subject, oh human race :-). Joy & Happiness, Tim Nisargadatta, Judi <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > Michael Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > What is source of suffering? > > > > Thinking. > > > ***** No. Thinking is not the cause of suffering. " Self " meditation is. > What to do? Get over your*self*! See that everything you do and > everything > you are about, is centered around the business of 'me'. *Self* ishness. > And when you see clear to the bottom of it, it drops away of its own. > All of your *loving* even is built around the notion of there being > a *you*. Self serving only. > > -- > Happy Days, > Judi > > http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htm > TheEndOfTheRopeRanch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 In my experience, people become identified with their diseases and suffering. " This is who I am. I have arthritis. I am angry. I have chronic pain. etc. " Take that away from them and they become frightened due to loss of identity. I think there is also an element of grief present. We grieve when we lose anything - good or bad. In medicine we quite often see people go through stages of grief after surgery. Beck At 11:21 AM 6/18/01 , you wrote: >This is true when ultimately the " suffering " is more pleasurable than >giving it up. There are many reasons why this would be >true. " Suffering " can lead to self-pity which is a substitute for >true comfort and nurturing, a very strong mind/body need. > >You got it when you said " Happy suffering. " > >-mort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 Glad my " lack of understanding " can bring joy to you ;-) -mort Nisargadatta, Judi <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > And speaking about giving it all up, you had me laughing pretty hard > there yesterday. :-)) With the blue eyes, wrists and ponies and all. :-) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 mortivan wrote: > > Glad my " lack of understanding " can bring joy to you ;-) > ***** Aah, be careful there, you might just be on to somethin', eh? :-) Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 That's true, and interesting. I guess I never really thought too much about grief. -mort Nisargadatta, Beck <beck@b...> wrote: > In my experience, people become identified with their diseases and > suffering. " This is who I am. I have arthritis. I am angry. I have chronic > pain. etc. " Take that away from them and they become frightened due to loss > of identity. I think there is also an element of grief present. We grieve > when we lose anything - good or bad. In medicine we quite often see people > go through stages of grief after surgery. > > Beck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 Nisargadatta, " mortivan " <mortivan> wrote: > That's true, and interesting. I guess I never really thought too much > about grief. > > -mort Mort, so would " happy suffering " be the same as " good grief " ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 Beck wrote: > > In my experience, people become identified with their diseases and > suffering. " This is who I am. I have arthritis. I am angry. I have > chronic > pain. etc. " Take that away from them and they become frightened due to > loss > of identity. **** Exactly. I moved in with this woman a few years ago and we were sitting talking one evening and she was telling me about her suffering due to the abuse she suffered as a child, etc. etc. And we sat and talked and worked thru it. She seemed to be quite happy about it and we went to bed. The next morning, she's banging on my door at 6am, hysterically telling me that I will have to move out immediately. And I said, excuse me?? And she couldn't give me an answer, just that I would have to move out. This was a woman in her 50's whose identity her entire life was built on her abuse as a child. And basically, it all fell away and she freaked. I tried to calm her down and speak with her, but I could see it was goign nowhere, she had become *hysterical* behind it and so I quietly moved out. And I'm sure even to this day, she is still *happily* suffering. :-) And you see the same thing happening here with some of these people on these lists. People say that they don't want to suffer, but when it comes down to it, that's all they want to do. Like a child with a pacifier. Basically it comes down to a matter of maturity. In actuality, they really haven't suffered enough. Those who have suffered enough, are *pliable* and you can work with them, there's an opening. For the others there is no help for it but suffering itself. More suffering is in fact what they need. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 At 01:39 PM 6/18/2001, you wrote: >Michael Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > What is source of suffering? > > > > Thinking. > > >***** No. Thinking is not the cause of suffering. " Self " meditation is. >What to do? Get over your*self*! See that everything you do and >everything >you are about, is centered around the business of 'me'. *Self* ishness. >And when you see clear to the bottom of it, it drops away of its own. >All of your *loving* even is built around the notion of there being >a *you*. Self serving only. > >-- >Happy Days, >Judi Hey Judi: How can you be so damn happy all the time..........:-)) Monday, Tuesday Happy Days......... Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 At 01:52 PM 6/18/2001, you wrote: >Judi wrote: > > > > Michael Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is source of suffering? > > > > > > Thinking. > > > > > ***** No. Thinking is not the cause of suffering. " Self " meditation > > is. > > What to do? Get over your*self*! See that everything you do and > > everything > > you are about, is centered around the business of 'me'. *Self* > > ishness. > > And when you see clear to the bottom of it, it drops away of its own. > > All of your *loving* even is built around the notion of there being > > a *you*. Self serving only. > > >****** >Join me for lunch? > >Judi Judi: Name the time and place........ Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 Michael wrote: > > > Hey Judi: > > How can you be so damn happy all the time..........:-)) > **** Lest you forget, I have a 17 year old still in the house, so that is NOT always the case! :-) Perhaps it's because I've raised 4 kids, and I've seen nearly every trick in the book. :-) Not to mention seeing my own tricks. :-) But seriously, I would love to have lunch with you Michael, I'm in Las Vegas, where are you? And, btw, how old are you? <g> Just kidding, juuuuuust kidding. NOT! :-) > Monday, Tuesday Happy Days......... > > Michael > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 At 01:29 PM 6/18/01 , Judi wrote: >More suffering is in fact what they need. Yes, until we get sick and tired of it. Fed up. What I find for myself is I am fed up in some areas, not in others. It is frustrating to try and let go of things I am still enjoying - the pleasure and the suffering. I wonder what would happen if we took this email list away? How many unhappy people would there be? :-) Beck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 Beck wrote: > > At 01:29 PM 6/18/01 , Judi wrote: > >More suffering is in fact what they need. > > Yes, until we get sick and tired of it. Fed up. > ***** Well not necessarily. You just have to want it more than your want anything else. It's like making love, you have to give yourself to it. You don't need to consult your text books or get fed up with yourself before you make love do you? :-) No, of course not, it's comes down to a matter of desire. You just have to want it more than anything else, so much so, that you're willing to actually give yourself over to it. It's a birthing, you got to push. Your effort and presence are required. Push! Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 Judi wrote: > > Beck wrote: > > > > At 01:29 PM 6/18/01 , Judi wrote: > > >More suffering is in fact what they need. > > > > Yes, until we get sick and tired of it. Fed up. > > > ***** Well not necessarily. You just have to want it more than your > want > anything else. It's like making love, you have to give yourself to it. > You don't need > to consult your text books or get fed up with yourself before you make > love do you? :-) > No, of course not, it's comes down to a matter of desire. You just > have > to want > it more than anything else, so much so, that you're willing to > actually > give yourself > over to it. It's a birthing, you got to push. Your effort and presence > are required. > Push! > ***** And let me say something else. If a person is just going along with their life, enjoying themselves here, suffering there, looking at themsevles here, looking at themselves there, oh look what a silly I am - NO - that's the lazy approach and never really cuts the mustard. BUT, if you're really serious about making love, you got to take off your clothes and get in bed! :-) Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 shot at and missed, shit at and hit sick and tired of being sick and tired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 Paul Cote wrote: > > shot at and missed, shit at and hit > > sick and tired of being sick and tired > ******* Shut up and get in bed! :-) Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 At 05:13 PM 6/18/01 , you wrote: You don't need to consult your text books or get fed up with yourself before you make love do you? :-) Haven't had sex in so long I can't remember. :-) It's a birthing, you got to push. Your effort and presence are required. Push! Don't know about birthing, either. I'm male. Beck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 Nisargadatta, Judi <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > Paul Cote wrote: > > > > shot at and missed, shit at and hit > > > > sick and tired of being sick and tired > > > ******* > Shut up and get in bed! :-) > > Judi tks, yes, I exposed myself again today, and it felt great! amazing the feeling... can't have those resentments... it is like having clothes on the heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 like having those people living rent free in yer head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 Judi, Not always a bed, sometimes theres a ranch with ropes. lol Manuel Nisargadatta, Judi <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > Judi wrote: <s> > BUT, if you're really serious about making love, you got to take off > your > clothes and get in bed! :-) > > Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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