Manuel-Tim - Recovery

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Dear Manuel,

 

Nisargadatta, " Manuel Hernandez " <manuel1498> wrote:

 

> You are not the body.

> Why be concerned what the body is doing.

> Or what the body has stopped doing.

 

A wise utterance :-).

 

> Manuel knows this the obession to use was not Manuel's doing and

> when the obession left was not his doing.

 

Also wise... i didn't mean to suggest it was 'my doing', but rather

it left in 'my absence' -- with the departure of obsession with the

body, and also with the departure of attachment to 'the me'.

 

> Manuel also knows not get in front of fast moving trains.

>

> See Tim, what you just wrote does nothing to assist the many Tim's

> and Manuel's that are out there.

 

Yes, i agree with this... i don't recommend anyone abandon attending

NA or AA or CA meetings or anything of that nature -- unless they are

certain it isn't useful.

 

> It is quite a site to see those how you described, you know

> Americas finest. Bums, whores, junkies etc. I have been in those

> meetings and have seen the miracle of recovery happen for them.

> Bums, become physicians, responsible members of thier society.

 

i won't debate the point that getting clean and sober is important,

that is already obvious. Whether 'responsible, useful member of

society' is really all that important... is up to 'the individual' to

decide.

 

i am not of 'society' at all, except in the most minor ways. i take

little from it, and contribute little to it -- and am content.

Society is a " give and take " kind of thing -- the way i see it, as

long as the giving and taking are approximately equal, all is well.

 

> Yeah perhaps I am dreaming.

> But this dream is better than the nightmare of addiction.

 

Of course.

 

One thing could be pointed out though, from the " promises " in the

N.A. program (not worded exactly here):

 

" The only thing we promise is freedom from active addiction. "

 

That's all the program offers, in its own words -- anything else is

up to the individual. In the course of my attendence, i have run

into members whom that's *all* they get out of it, too... otherwise,

they are just as miserable as they were when actively using.

 

Every coin has two sides.

 

Namaste,

 

Tim