Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 Reality is already as " pure " as it will ever get. Talk of " sheaths " and such is ignorance only. There is nothing to add, and there is nothing to take away from the Self. There is nothing to do and there is nowhere to go. In order to realize this, simply find the " Inner Guru " or Sadguru, which is the feeling " I Am " -- then remain with that Guru. The Sadguru will take care of everything. Namaste, Omkara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 Hi Tim: I have been having what can be described as psychic attacks. Seems there is some one thing that doesn't want me to be pure. Michael Omkara wrote: > > Reality is already as " pure " as it will ever get. Talk of " sheaths " > and such is ignorance only. > > There is nothing to add, and there is nothing to take away from the > Self. There is nothing to do and there is nowhere to go. > > In order to realize this, simply find the " Inner Guru " or Sadguru, > which is the feeling " I Am " -- then remain with that Guru. The > Sadguru will take care of everything. > > Namaste, > > Omkara > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 Nisargadatta, " Omkara " <coresite@h...> wrote: > > Reality is already as " pure " as it will ever get. Talk of " sheaths " > and such is ignorance only. > > There is nothing to add, and there is nothing to take away from the > Self. There is nothing to do and there is nowhere to go. > > In order to realize this, simply find the " Inner Guru " or Sadguru, > which is the feeling " I Am " -- then remain with that Guru. The > Sadguru will take care of everything. > > Namaste, > > Omkara Namaste All, That is true but it is only intellectual speculation without a purfied Buddhi. The process of self enquiry will purify if it is used as a sadhana and a meditation on the God form 'I'.....ONS.....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 Hi Michael, Nisargadatta, Michael <michael@p...> wrote: > Hi Tim: > > I have been having what can be described as psychic attacks. Can you describe the symptoms? > Seems there is some one thing that doesn't want me to be pure. The " me " will never be pure. The absence of the " me " is 'purity', the " me " only wants to continue (to suffer). The " me's " persistent attempts to escape suffering only increase suffering. Nisargadatta: " The person consists of restrictions and limitations [on unconditioned Reality]. The totality of these defines the person. " Namaste, Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 Nisargadatta, " Tony O'Clery " <aoclery> wrote: > Nisargadatta, " Omkara " <coresite@h...> wrote: > > In order to realize this, simply find the " Inner Guru " or > > Sadguru, which is the feeling " I Am " -- then remain with that > > Guru. The Sadguru will take care of everything. > > > > Namaste, > > > > Omkara > > Namaste All, > > That is true but it is only intellectual speculation without a > purfied Buddhi. The process of self enquiry will purify if it is > used as a sadhana and a meditation on the God > form 'I'.....ONS.....Tony. I repeat, the Sadguru will take care of everything... including " purifying the Buddhi. " No " me " or " small self " can purify anything, because it is itself a sort of 'stain' on Reality. Only the Self can take you to the Self. Surrender to the Sadguru is all that is required. Intellectual speculation is entirely a moot point if surrender is complete. Just find the Sadguru (which is beyond the mind) and remain with it. Namaste, Omkara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 Who wants to be pure? Who doesn't want to be pure? Who? Nisargadatta, Michael <michael@p...> wrote: > Hi Tim: > > I have been having what can be described as psychic attacks. > > Seems there is some one thing that doesn't want me to be pure. > > Michael > > Omkara wrote: > > > > > Reality is already as " pure " as it will ever get. Talk of " sheaths " > > and such is ignorance only. > > > > There is nothing to add, and there is nothing to take away from the > > Self. There is nothing to do and there is nowhere to go. > > > > In order to realize this, simply find the " Inner Guru " or Sadguru, > > which is the feeling " I Am " -- then remain with that Guru. The > > Sadguru will take care of everything. > > > > Namaste, > > > > Omkara > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 --- > > > > > > I repeat, the Sadguru will take care of everything... > including " purifying the Buddhi. " No " me " or " small self " can purify > anything, because it is itself a sort of 'stain' on Reality. > > Only the Self can take you to the Self. Surrender to the Sadguru is > all that is required. Intellectual speculation is entirely a moot > point if surrender is complete. Just find the Sadguru (which is > beyond the mind) and remain with it. > > Namaste, > > Omkara Aumkara This time you have really touched the Sadguru deep down to fetch a pearl like this one - really, there is nothing more than what you surfaced! Pranam VJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Psychic attacks are thoughts and feelings telling me that I am a worthless piece of crap. They give me a tight chest, a churning stomach, and sore muscles all over my body. They wake me up at 3:00 in the morning and I have to get up and do something to stop the suffering they rain down on me. They are strong. They are relentless. Just when I think that I have overcome them, they sneak in and take over my life. I make a conscious decision to do this or that and the very next moment they are telling me what a fool I am. I am hanging on and hanging in by a very bare thread that thankfully has some elasticity or it would have snapped by now. Thanks Tim...you have been much help to me the last few years. I appreciate your friendship. Michael Omkara wrote: > > Hi Michael, > > Nisargadatta, Michael <michael@p...> wrote: > > Hi Tim: > > > > I have been having what can be described as psychic attacks. > > Can you describe the symptoms? > > > Seems there is some one thing that doesn't want me to be pure. > > The " me " will never be pure. The absence of the " me " is 'purity', > the " me " only wants to continue (to suffer). The " me's " persistent > attempts to escape suffering only increase suffering. > > Nisargadatta: " The person consists of restrictions and limitations > [on unconditioned Reality]. The totality of these defines the > person. " > > Namaste, > > Tim > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Hi John: I don't know. I just know that there are many negative and hateful thoughts swirling around that seem to want to cling to me. Maybe I need to be exorcised? Anyone have any knowledge about that? Peace, Michael John Logan wrote: > > Who wants to be pure? > Who doesn't want to be pure? > Who? > > Nisargadatta, Michael <michael@p...> wrote: > > Hi Tim: > > > > I have been having what can be described as psychic attacks. > > > > Seems there is some one thing that doesn't want me to be pure. > > > > Michael > > > > Omkara wrote: > > > > > > > > Reality is already as " pure " as it will ever get. Talk > of " sheaths " > > > and such is ignorance only. > > > > > > There is nothing to add, and there is nothing to take away from > the > > > Self. There is nothing to do and there is nowhere to go. > > > > > > In order to realize this, simply find the " Inner Guru " or Sadguru, > > > which is the feeling " I Am " -- then remain with that Guru. The > > > Sadguru will take care of everything. > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Omkara > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Michael: Do you have a Guru? A Guru mantra? I pray and chant a mantra. If I wake up at night, I use it as an opportunity to pray. The mantra does purify. The Guru or Grace of God does purify. Where do you live? If interested, you could go to one of our satsangs (Siddha Yoga). It is possible that it would click with you. Chanting God's name is powerful medicine. As far as drugs go, I think they are best avoided. I believe the pain is good because it shows where the work needs to be done. One thing I do is tell myself the pain is God's Love removing impurities. If you are interested in the Guru or God's Name, let me know and I can point you in the right direction. Another great way of getting exorcized is through the 12 step groups such as AA. But unless you want to stop drinking, it may not be for you. Paul Nisargadatta, Michael <michael@p...> wrote: > Hi John: > > I don't know. > > I just know that there are many > negative and hateful thoughts swirling around > that seem to want to cling to me. > > Maybe I need to be exorcised? > > Anyone have any knowledge about that? > > Peace, > > Michael > > John Logan wrote: > > > > Who wants to be pure? > > Who doesn't want to be pure? > > Who? > > > > Nisargadatta, Michael <michael@p...> wrote: > > > Hi Tim: > > > > > > I have been having what can be described as psychic attacks. > > > > > > Seems there is some one thing that doesn't want me to be pure. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > Omkara wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Reality is already as " pure " as it will ever get. Talk > > of " sheaths " > > > > and such is ignorance only. > > > > > > > > There is nothing to add, and there is nothing to take away from > > the > > > > Self. There is nothing to do and there is nowhere to go. > > > > > > > > In order to realize this, simply find the " Inner Guru " or Sadguru, > > > > which is the feeling " I Am " -- then remain with that Guru. The > > > > Sadguru will take care of everything. > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Omkara > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Paul: I don't drink...never have. Thanks, Michael Paul Cote wrote: > > Michael: > > Do you have a Guru? A Guru mantra? I pray and chant a mantra. If I > wake up at night, I use it as an opportunity to pray. The mantra > does purify. The Guru or Grace of God does purify. Where do you > live? If interested, you could go to one of our satsangs (Siddha > Yoga). It is possible that it would click with you. > > Chanting God's name is powerful medicine. As far as drugs go, I > think they are best avoided. I believe the pain is good because it > shows where the work needs to be done. One thing I do is tell myself > the pain is God's Love removing impurities. > > If you are interested in the Guru or God's Name, let me know and I > can point you in the right direction. > > Another great way of getting exorcized is through the 12 step groups > such as AA. But unless you want to stop drinking, it may not be for > you. > > Paul > > Nisargadatta, Michael <michael@p...> wrote: > > Hi John: > > > > I don't know. > > > > I just know that there are many > > negative and hateful thoughts swirling around > > that seem to want to cling to me. > > > > Maybe I need to be exorcised? > > > > Anyone have any knowledge about that? > > > > Peace, > > > > Michael > > > > John Logan wrote: > > > > > > Who wants to be pure? > > > Who doesn't want to be pure? > > > Who? > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Michael <michael@p...> wrote: > > > > Hi Tim: > > > > > > > > I have been having what can be described as psychic attacks. > > > > > > > > Seems there is some one thing that doesn't want me to be pure. > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > Omkara wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reality is already as " pure " as it will ever get. Talk > > > of " sheaths " > > > > > and such is ignorance only. > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing to add, and there is nothing to take away > from > > > the > > > > > Self. There is nothing to do and there is nowhere to go. > > > > > > > > > > In order to realize this, simply find the " Inner Guru " or > Sadguru, > > > > > which is the feeling " I Am " -- then remain with that Guru. > The > > > > > Sadguru will take care of everything. > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > Omkara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Paul Cote wrote: > > > > Chanting God's name is powerful medicine. ******* Does *masturbation* have any relevance here? :-) -- Happy Days, Judi http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htm TheEndOfTheRopeRanch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Judi wrote: > > Paul Cote wrote: > > > > > > > > Chanting God's name is powerful medicine. > > ******* > Does *masturbation* have any relevance here? :-) > **** Fire in the cockpit! Fire in the cockpit! :-)) Happy Days, Judi http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htm TheEndOfTheRopeRanch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Judi wrote: > > Judi wrote: > > > > Paul Cote wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Chanting God's name is powerful medicine. > > > > ******* > > Does *masturbation* have any relevance here? :-) > > > > **** Fire in the cockpit! Fire in the cockpit! :-)) > ****** Burn baby burn! :-) Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Nisargadatta, " Omkara " <coresite@h...> wrote: > Nisargadatta, " Tony O'Clery " <aoclery> wrote: > > Nisargadatta, " Omkara " <coresite@h...> wrote: > > > In order to realize this, simply find the " Inner Guru " or > > > Sadguru, which is the feeling " I Am " -- then remain with that > > > Guru. The Sadguru will take care of everything. > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Omkara > > > > Namaste All, > > > > That is true but it is only intellectual speculation without a > > purfied Buddhi. The process of self enquiry will purify if it is > > used as a sadhana and a meditation on the God > > form 'I'.....ONS.....Tony. > > I repeat, the Sadguru will take care of everything... > including " purifying the Buddhi. " No " me " or " small self " can purify > anything, because it is itself a sort of 'stain' on Reality. > > Only the Self can take you to the Self. Surrender to the Sadguru is > all that is required. Intellectual speculation is entirely a moot > point if surrender is complete. Just find the Sadguru (which is > beyond the mind) and remain with it. > > Namaste, > > Omkara Namaste Tim et al, The 'I' mentioned here is the true and only 'I', this would equate with the expression Sadguru. Which from a Nirguna apect doesn't exist either. If one believes in a 'Self', it is the Saguna Brahman concept. Many teachers talked about the Bliss of the Self, for their audiences sake. For Bliss is an attribute and therefore the Saguna. Again without purfication sadhana to the meditative level, the mind may intellectually know this but be unable to 'realise it'. Both Non dual Advaita and Vipassana of the Buddha emphasise this, and it is only logical to remove impedimentary vibrations. This is why 'Who am I?', must be a meditative sadhana to develop this feeling, otherwise it is superficial verbal non dualism. Om Namah Sivaya...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 - " Omkara " <coresite <Nisargadatta > Monday, June 25, 2001 10:44 PM Re: There is nothing to purify > Just find the Sadguru (which is > beyond the mind) and remain with it. Hi Tim , Here we go round and round, beating around the bush. Because of the duality of language anything said directly about 'It' -call it God, Truth, Sadguru - is totally misleading. What some people, especially Sandeep, has been tirelessly trying to point out to you all along is - just who the hell is supposed to find the sadguru ? This 'thing' happens when 'you' are absent and as such you will never find it, much less to remain with it. In fact, as far as 'you' are concerned there is never nor will there ever be 'Truth', 'Enlightenment' or 'Sadguru', within or without. It is all bogus, fictitious, imaginary, a massive hallucination.. In simple language, what you are describing or motivating the seeker to acquire *does not in fact exist*. There is no truth, nothing beyond your mind, it is all your invention. Why are you instrumental in this (international) conspiracy of setting up others on an impossible mission ? ~dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 - " Paul Cote " <pjcote <Nisargadatta > Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:00 PM There is nothing to purify > Why do you say that it obstructs your natural intelligence from > unfolding? > Maybe the mind obstructs the heart from unfolding? What people usually refer to as 'heart', maybe their 'vital propensities', their 'heart's desire'. The actual heart is always pumping blood, my friend. The mind, if there is really such, can 'eat it's heart out', so to speak, but cannot affect it one iota. Maybe enough for today ? ~dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 Yeah, I quit... thanks for the discussion! Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 Um, is this where the ponies come in? -mort Nisargadatta, Judi <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > Paul Cote wrote: > > > > > > > > Chanting God's name is powerful medicine. > > ******* > Does *masturbation* have any relevance here? :-) > > > -- > Happy Days, > Judi > > http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htm > TheEndOfTheRopeRanch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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