Dave-There is nothing to purify

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Hi Dave,

 

Nisargadatta, " D. Sirjue " <dsirju@n...> wrote:

> Hi Tim ,

>

> Here we go round and round, beating around the bush.

> Because of the duality of language anything

> said directly about 'It' -call it God, Truth, Sadguru -

> is totally misleading.

 

Yes indeed... funny how every sage and guru has gone ahead and said

something anyway... but apparently " i'm not allowed " by some rulebook

up in Dave Sirjue's mind...

 

> What some people, especially Sandeep, has been tirelessly

> trying to point out to you all along is - just who the hell is

> supposed to find the sadguru ?

 

Tirelessly trying to point out? Get off that patronizing high-horse,

Dave. Who gives a damn what anyone tries to point out? As you can

see, i am not listening -- guidance here is 'from within', not from

self-appointed egotistical pundits.

 

> There is no truth, nothing beyond your mind, it is all your

> invention.

 

What is " beyond the mind " has its reflection " in the mind. " What can

be spoken is not the truth, but " pointers " to the Reality can be

given. Whether anyone is interested or not makes no difference... as

i stated, the Self " brings you " to the Self only.

 

> Why are you instrumental in this (international) conspiracy of

> setting up others on an impossible mission ?

 

What is impossible about remaining with the sense of Beingness or " I

Am? "

 

Nisargadatta spent the greater part of his life recommending this

over and over (remain with the sense of Beingness). Are you now

denying it, and if so... why are you d to the Nisargadatta

list?

 

The thought arising here is that you have no sincerity, no

earnestness and no ability to surrender (and surrender is " the golden

key " and is the only thing " you can do " ).

 

It is sad to see this... " maybe next lifetime. " In the meantime,

enjoy the daily grind.

 

Namaste,

 

Omkara

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" Omkara " <coresite

<Nisargadatta >

Tuesday, June 26, 2001 6:19 PM

Re: There is nothing to purify

 

Hi Tim!

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> As you can see, i am not listening -- guidance here

>is 'from within', not from self-appointed egotistical pundits.

 

That's what I stated previously - you listen only to yourself -

...and probably talk back, answer back, audible or inaudible.

This maintains your inner conversation, your monologue,

necessary to keeps 'you' going.

Only you - Tim - know whether you're using

the dialogue here in this forum as an extension of your

own monologue.

 

And are you admitting here that you hear inner voices ?

What it is that is guiding you 'from within' ?

Are you sure of the authenticity and sincerity of your guide

or could this be " Shades of Rakshyasi Maya " ..self-delusion ?.

What is 'within' is 'me'.

 

> What is " beyond the mind " has its reflection " in the mind. " What can

> be spoken is not the truth, but " pointers " to the Reality can be

> given.

 

What " pointers " are you talking about. All pointers have directions

within or without, a path to walk and a goal to achieve.

" Truth " , if there is such a thing, cannot be indicated by 'you'

neither can 'you' be interested in it nor can 'you' ever achieve it,

since it is not within the framework of time and space.

What you keep uttering is your own fancy, you

own mind-creation.

 

>Whether anyone is interested or not makes no difference... as

> i stated, the Self " brings you " to the Self only.

 

If there is such a thing as " Self " rather than " bring you "

it should " destroys you " , blow the hell out of 'you'.

 

> Nisargadatta spent the greater part of his life recommending this

> over and over (remain with the sense of Beingness). Are you now

> denying it, and if so... why are you d to the Nisargadatta

> list?

 

This was Maharaj's realization. What is Tim's ? Are you trying

to be a copy of someone else, a clone? All imitations are false!

...and I don't know why I'm here. You see it doesn't matter whether

I'm here or not but it certainly seems to matter to you,

maybe you have investments here, something to sell, some

axe to grind...

 

> The thought arising here is that you have no sincerity, no

> earnestness and no ability to surrender (and surrender is " the golden

> key " and is the only thing " you can do " ).

 

Tim, you keep blah-blaahing.. you should know better

that surrendering is not in the hands of the 'me'.

In plain language - 'you' cannot and can never surrender-

You can talk until thy kingdom come, but 'you' have

no intention of surrendering whatsoever. What you are

interested in is your own self-preservation and

refinement of the 'me', it's all inherent in your selfish genes.

'Surrender' occurs when the 'me' vanishes.

~dave