Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Hi Michael, When this happens are you breathing? If not, consciously breathe. That will bring you back to ground. Now observe. This would not be happening unless you were ready to deal with it! The problem is not the " attack " ; it is the content of the " attack " -- the idea that you are worthless. In the context of Advaita you are neither worthy nor worthless! So ... you are getting ready to blow off this illusion having to do with " worthiness " . In one sense you are seeing the consequences of thinking yourself 'unworthy', feeling what it feels like to be damaging yourself by holding onto or attempting to avoid such thoughts. Whether the " attacks " are coming from the outside or the inside you are allowing them to affect you. Don't try to avoid them, instead ask them as if they were another person: Who are you? Where did you come from? What in me allows you to affect me? Then breath and pay attention. Don't dialogue with the answers, just note them. They are not true or false. Nisargadatta, Michael <michael@p...> wrote: > Hi John: > > I don't know. > > I just know that there are many > negative and hateful thoughts swirling around > that seem to want to cling to me. > > Maybe I need to be exorcised? > > Anyone have any knowledge about that? > > Peace, > > Michael > > John Logan wrote: > > > > Who wants to be pure? > > Who doesn't want to be pure? > > Who? > > > > Nisargadatta, Michael <michael@p...> wrote: > > > Hi Tim: > > > > > > I have been having what can be described as psychic attacks. > > > > > > Seems there is some one thing that doesn't want me to be pure. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > Omkara wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Reality is already as " pure " as it will ever get. Talk > > of " sheaths " > > > > and such is ignorance only. > > > > > > > > There is nothing to add, and there is nothing to take away from > > the > > > > Self. There is nothing to do and there is nowhere to go. > > > > > > > > In order to realize this, simply find the " Inner Guru " or Sadguru, > > > > which is the feeling " I Am " -- then remain with that Guru. The > > > > Sadguru will take care of everything. > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Omkara > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 Hi Michael, Please note that those " realized beings " spent many years, often ungrounded ones, developing the consciousness that they have. They have reached a point where they are focussed almost primarily on the absolute and view the relative from a point of view of nonattachment. They do not deny the relative, rather they view it differently from someone who is living entirely in the relative with little or no access to the absolute point of view. When someone doesn't have the balance of " being in the world, but not of it " , then the attempt to live " not of it " leads to only living in the mental. I said " mental " which is a most transitory and unreliable ground; " mental " is not " mind " , certainly not " MIND " in the consciousness only sense. The material realm is a mirror of our achieved consciousness. It, IMHO, is the classroom, the place where our development is tested. Can we walk our talk? Or do we just " talk our talk " ? Disorder in our material world is a reflection of disorder in our mental-emotional world. If the mind is confused, clean up your house; if the house is in chaos, straighten up the thinking first then get rid of the clutter in the house. It's like that. There is a reciprocal relationship between thinking and living. The " realized sage " having realized the emptiness of it all, has simplified life and detached from " attachments " -- then " clear mind " and " clear life " are one. When the neophyte tries to emulate the realized master but has not done the work then of course there are problems. Herman Hesse addresses this point in his book SIDDARTHA in which he points out that there is a need to " master " the world of the successful businessman and the world of loving relationships to prove that the achievement is real. Note in the book he takes on the challenge and only in the end does he find peace as the ferryboatman, symbolically ferrying people to the other shore ON BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVER. In Zen, the 10 Oxherding Pictures make the same point: we tame the Ox of our own mind, until there is no longer a problem of the mind, and then the " realized master " returns to living in the world. Note there are three stages: 1) there is a mountain, 2) there is not a mountain, 3) then there IS a MOUNTAIN. If one is still in stage 1 but trying to live in stage 2 then there is a problem! And the confusion arises when one tries to live as if they are in stage 3 while actually in stage 1 confused with stage 2. The Key: Be what you are, don't try to be what you aren't. Are and aren't are both limited concepts, and both leave something out. The Path: Observe what you appear to be without holding on to what appears. Be willing to see deeper in what appears. What are you? Actually the focus of an enormous stream of life in which all that went before your birth is present in you going back through all history and all that will go forward from even this present moment creating future conditions as a result of all that you are. Even physically, the zygotes of your parents, and their parents and their parents, and their parents ............ are all a part of what you are. So we are more than we seem, even physically. Go back far enough and maybe not so far and we are all made of " star-stuff " . In that sense we were never born and we will never die! So now we can " drop it " ! All that stuff. Smile, John L. Nisargadatta, Michael <michael@p...> wrote: > Hi John: > > Yes, focusing on breathing helps alot to ground me. > > A friend of mine introduced me to this about five years ago. > > I ask him what I should do in a critical moment and he said: > > " Breathe Like Hell " :-). > > The problem I see with all the advice I have received is > that I have to do something which is contracdictory to the > words of the realized beings who have shared with us the concept > of no doer, no volition. See, these kinds of contracdictory > concepts is what creates conflict in the mind and stirs it up > like a tornado. It says, first you tell me this, now you tell > me this...so I say I am confused...make up your damn mind. > > Peace, > > Michael > > > > > John Logan wrote: > > > > Hi Michael, > > When this happens are you breathing? If not, consciously breathe. > > That will bring you back to ground. > > > > Now observe. This would not be happening unless you were ready to > > deal with it! The problem is not the " attack " ; it is the content of > > the " attack " -- the idea that you are worthless. > > > > In the context of Advaita you are neither worthy nor worthless! > > So ... you are getting ready to blow off this illusion having to do > > with " worthiness " . In one sense you are seeing the consequences of > > thinking yourself 'unworthy', feeling what it feels like to be > > damaging yourself by holding onto or attempting to avoid such > > thoughts. > > > > Whether the " attacks " are coming from the outside or the inside you > > are allowing them to affect you. Don't try to avoid them, instead ask > > them as if they were another person: > > Who are you? > > Where did you come from? > > What in me allows you to affect me? > > Then breath and pay attention. > > Don't dialogue with the answers, just note them. They are not > > true or false. > > > > Nisargadatta, Michael <michael@p...> wrote: > > > Hi John: > > > > > > I don't know. > > > > > > I just know that there are many > > > negative and hateful thoughts swirling around > > > that seem to want to cling to me. > > > > > > Maybe I need to be exorcised? > > > > > > Anyone have any knowledge about that? > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > John Logan wrote: > > > > > > > > Who wants to be pure? > > > > Who doesn't want to be pure? > > > > Who? > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Michael <michael@p...> wrote: > > > > > Hi Tim: > > > > > > > > > > I have been having what can be described as psychic attacks. > > > > > > > > > > Seems there is some one thing that doesn't want me to be pure. > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > Omkara wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reality is already as " pure " as it will ever get. Talk > > > > of " sheaths " > > > > > > and such is ignorance only. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing to add, and there is nothing to take away > > from > > > > the > > > > > > Self. There is nothing to do and there is nowhere to go. > > > > > > > > > > > > In order to realize this, simply find the " Inner Guru " or > > Sadguru, > > > > > > which is the feeling " I Am " -- then remain with that Guru. > > The > > > > > > Sadguru will take care of everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > Omkara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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