Tim / clarity about the me

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Hi Tim!

 

What you're observing about the " me " seems on-target here,

and to me, reflects " clarity " .

 

As I look into what insight into the nature of the " me " involves,

and put it into words, it comes out like this:

 

Thought/memory/body has no sentience. Yet, thought/memory/body appears, and

tries to claim sentience for itself.

 

The " me " is the result of an interaction between sensation,

sensory perception, thought, memory, and the felt sense

involved in " being a body and having emotions and needs " ...

thought serving more or less as " the organizer " that

" maintains the central focus " in all this -- yet sense perception

also forms a center, as does memory and bodily awareness ...

 

If there were no attempt to claim sentience, claim a center,

have an existence -- no sense of an identity and known world

would be " had " ...

 

If thought, memory, body actually " appear " without " having or

owning sentience " ... how is the illusion maintained that such

claim is possible?

 

In my view, this claim is an activity simultaneously with being

a belief and perception.

 

The activity/belief/perception that there is someone who is sentient,

who has that as a quality (and who thus can be a knower and doer),

can't be fully explained as the tendency formulated as " the past " --

for " the past " is only known as an individual " me " when this action

is occurring presently.

 

The claim of sentience therefore must be arising presently, and then

basing the claim by interpreting memory a certain way (around a " me " ).

 

The claim of sentience involves a slowing of awareness to interpret thought

and sensory perception, with subsequent identification with the thought

and sensory perception as the basis for the awareness.

 

It's a mix-up.

 

Another way to say this is that thought reverberates with thought and memory,

sensation reverberates with past sensation.

 

This reverberation is " vibration " -- only the images that form make the

vibration

seem to " have substance " ...

 

Once there is the " seeming to have substance " and " perceive objects "

there can be " identification "

as thought, as a thinker, as a body, etc. ...

 

I view this as the " crux " of so-called spiritual awareness,

which truly has nothing to do with the split concept

of " spiritual/material " ... it's just that when there seems

to be substantial form, then there seems to be spiritual

formlessness ...

 

Without the obsession with maintaining a continuity for form

(as thoughts, thinker, world, self) ... there is simply " vibration as

is " ...

 

Here, one is nameless, neither formed nor formless ... and

" all this " appears as is -- and yet nothing has taken form ...

there is precise definition and clarity of perception, image, and

forms ... yet no knower, no sentient entity, no world of

objects " outside " ...

 

The sentience, the knowingness is purely " the unknown itself " ...

neither an inside nor outside involved ...

 

Peace,

Dan

 

 

 

 

>>>Tim:

>>>(snip) The 'me' fears its own extinction. Everything it 'does' is

only to

maintain the illusion of its existence, because it fears terribly

that it does not exist at all (a justifiable fear!).

 

It could rightly be said that the 'me' *is* fear. It depends

entirely on memory for its continuity, and obsessively accesses

memory again and again in order to maintain its own continuity.

 

If by some miracle no further energy is invested in maintaining

the 'me', it simply vanishes like a puff of smoke.

 

> Ever since the 'me' was aware of itself, it knew life

> and it seems life has always been what it is,

> giving the 'me' a sense of eternity..

 

The 'me' is more like a 'pocket of unawareness' -- it can't be aware

of anything. It's just sort of a contraction in thought.

 

Namaste,

 

Tim