Dave / the end of personal existence and spirituality

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>>>This has to clearly understood though - " It is not mine, not my affair. "

All thoughts and knowledge don't belong to anyone.

They were inherited, learnt, copied, borrowed or stolen

from tradition's storehouse.

We are untruthful when we say this or that

belongs to me, this is my view, I am this or that,

this is how such and such is, and so on.

Because it is an imitation, is the reason why the 'you' is

said to be false and fictional... it doesn't really exist...

 

At some point one gets fedup impersonating,

playing this false role, being a hypocrite.

The false-self breaks down and collapses on its own accord.

 

~dave

 

Dear Dave,

 

Well-said.

 

Although I wouldn't say that one gets fedup impersonating.

After all, the one getting fedup is impersonating someone

getting fedup.

 

I am in agreement with you that the imitation is mistaken

as " something real " -- not only that, but what it's imitating

is also an imitation, ad infinitum.

 

Reality doesn't replicate itself, never has, never will.

In order to be able to replicate itself, it would have to

be able to stand apart from itself, know itself as a form,

and duplicate the form somewhere.

As it can't stand aside from itself somewhere where it is not,

it has never managed this trick. We say that genes replicate,

but this replication is actually a memory activation process,

not the duplication of an independently existing thing (which

it is usually misunderstood to be).

 

Memory images, upon which basic functions such as eating

and digesting, as well as speech and thought

depend, continues to function as if replication

and matching of replica to template, renders

" what is so " ...

In human beings, through this function a personality-image, and a

feeling of existing as a being, is formed.

 

Yet, we are lucky, because questioning the difficulties brought about

by a personality, and a sense of personal existence, allow the

inquiry into the " roots " of memory/thought's functioning. Thus,

Reality alone is revealed as Reality alone as inquiry allowed

the " overthrow " of the false reality-principle imbedded in memory,

and duplication of image. Yes, we've been duped by a duplicitous

reality offering itself as if the real thing.

 

An intriguing question is " what is memory-image doing " , if no

real event has been replicated (stored, retrieved)?

The reason the question is intriguing is that the answer implies that

everything taken as really being here (which is taken that

way because it can be referenced to memory as image,

thought, or feeling) is not.

 

Only Reality is here, so everything else is not.

 

Even basic sensations such as cold, hot, pain, pleasure,

have their apparent existence as a powerful memory-reference

built up over millenia of " survival " .

And " survival " has no reality apart from the tendency to observe as if

survival

were a criterion of existence, which is tied to memory (and the

maintenance/survival of images).

 

The observer is memory, that is all, and replicates a self in the

process of observing and noticing anything.

 

When the observer is not, when no replication or

matching is a criterion, there is only Reality.

 

All that is -- " this " -- never replicating, survival never an issue,

having nothing to do with gaining possessions or prestige,

nor anything to do with the " spiritual quest " whatsoever.

 

Namaste,

Dan

[Guest guest]

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" Daniel Berkow " <berkowd

<Nisargadatta >

Monday, July 30, 2001 1:39 PM

Re: Dave / the end of " personal existence " and

" spirituality "

 

 

Hiya Dan,

 

> Although I wouldn't say that one gets fedup impersonating.

> After all, the one getting fedup is impersonating someone

> getting fedup.

 

Sharp observation....you're quite correct,

such expressions are loaded.

'One' really doesn't have any choice in

the matter, either to indulge or be disgusted.

Probably a more accurate statement might be

- it suddenly strikes, (out of nowhere) all this is

not what I am truly -.

Whatever remains continues to function freely.

 

Best

~dave