cont'd--indifferent observer--Non-identification with body

August 10, 2001

Jan --

at this time,

you are the Awareness,

not the conditioned body-mind that stands by

and watches people drown.

Yes, years ago I had the same experiences.

Didn't have a clue what was comming off.

However, the conditioned body-mind here,

would jump in where angels feared to tread.

l80 degrees the opposite.

But same thing.

2 sides of the same coin.

El

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Nisargadatta, elizabeth_wells2001 wrote:

> Jan:

>

> The aloof detached fearless (Witnessing) Awareness,

> Stands Alone. It is the first to arise in the morning

> upon waking. The " I am " without words.

>

> Identified with the body-mindflow, it is the person....

> " I am " this and that, etc.

>

> El

>

> ------------------

>

> Nisargadatta, Jan Sultan <swork@a...> wrote:

> >

> > Here I am not talking of out of body experiences. Frankly I

> haven't had any

> > out of body experience.

> > Here I am talking about the times when most of us have,

> possibly due to

> > shock, 'lost interest' in 'controlling' our bodies. It is as if we

> are

> > frozen with fear but we do not have any fear, in fact we are

> rendered

> > emotionless and unconcerned about what happens to our

> body.

> >

> > Let me give two examples to explain. [i am not very proud of

> what happened

> > in either case!]

> > I was on a flimsy motorbike on a narrow bridge when I saw

> coming towards me

> > a truck and trailer veering from side to side apparently out of

> control. I

> > just froze, yet I did not feel any fear or concern for my safety. I

> had

> > turned into an indifferent observer!

> > The same thing happened when I saw a drowning boy in a

> swimming pool. There

> > was no danger to me in any action to save that boy. Yet again

I

> turned into

> > an indifferent observer.

> > [Luckily in both cases nothing serious happened.]

> >

> > Anybody have similar experiences? And is this similar to

what

> Nisargadatta

> > et. al. refer to when they advise us not to identify with our

> bodies and minds?

> >

> > I cannot resist the temptation of quoting from my favorite

guru,

> Nisargadatta:

> >

> > Having seen that you are a bundle of memories held

together

> by attachment,

> > step out and look from the outside. You may perceive for the

> first time

> > something which is not memory. You cease to be

> Mr-so-and-so, busy about his

> > own affairs. You are at last at peace. You realize that nothing

> was ever

> > wrong with the world, you alone were wrong and now it is all

> over. Never

> > again will you be caught in the meshes of desire born of

> ignorance. (390)

> > ______________________

> > With Love,

> > Cyber Dervish

> > ````````````````````````````````````````

August 10, 2001

Jan wrote:

> > Here I am talking about the times when most of us have, > possibly due to > > shock, 'lost interest' in 'controlling' our bodies. It is as if we> are > > frozen with fear but we do not have any fear, in fact we are > rendered > > emotionless and unconcerned about what happens to our > body.> > > > Let me give two examples to explain. > > I was on a flimsy motorbike on a narrow bridge when I saw > coming towards me > > a truck and trailer veering from side to side apparently out of > control. I > > just froze, yet I did not feel any fear or concern for my safety. I > had > > turned into an indifferent observer!> > The same thing happened when I saw a drowning boy in a > swimming pool. There > > was no danger to me in any action to save that boy. Yet again I > turned into > > an indifferent observer.> > [Luckily in both cases nothing serious happened.]> >

Dear Jan,

Is it possible, perhaps, that "something" in you, despite how things appeared, Knew that no physical action on your part was necessary?

Really, wasn't it only afterward that the mind reacted in fear about the scene and the body's lack of response to it?

> > Anybody have similar experiences?

If this is the case, then yes.

What do you think? Does it ring a bell inside you?

[i am not very proud of > what happened > > in either case!]

Then there's no need to be proud and also no need to regret. It seems to me that Who You Are was and IS always taking good care of you.

Love,

Kheyala