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Vineet,

I heard that in the Turiya state(whatever that is, I am

western, no religious conditioning during my upbringing)

one can actually see oneself sleeping. And I do not think

it is same as lucid dreaming. It must be when the

consciousness is always awake. Ah, the concepts and ideas,

it doesn't help much...yet I wonder.

caiti

PS

I used to feel a lot of pain in the chest upon awakening

each morning, like I was pressed back to the body too

quickly, lately I just snap back into now, but I like the

time between the sleep and the fully awaken state, the

clarity, some best insights do happen then.

 

 

 

--- Vineet Kumar <vineet_kumar0 wrote:

> Caiti,

> Yes we can't retain the presence.......yet you

> can't deny that you were absolutely not there in deep

> sleep.......in deep sleep most of me is absent .....but

> this is me of ego......and this is what we usually take

> ourselves to be and what society, family & friends

> approve of..........but this dissolves ......whatever

> faint sense of me remains is the correct me, real me.

 

 

 

 

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