Guest guest Posted September 20, 2001 Report Share Posted September 20, 2001 Paul: Forget the dictionary. Catch the gist. What appears and disappers, --what is CHANGEFUL -- falls under the word consciousness. What does not appear and disappear, --what is CHANGELESS-- falls under the word Awareness. The CHANGEFUL appears and disappears in the CHANGELESS. The REAL YOU is the CHANGELESS. El ------------------- Maharaj: AWARENESS is primordial; it is the original state, beginningless, endless, uncaused, unsupported, without parts, without change. CONSCIOUSNESS is on contact, a reflection against a surface, a state of duality. There can be no consciousness without Awareness, but there can be Awareness without consciousness, as in deep sleep. Awareness is Absolute, consciousness is relative to its content; consciousness is always of something. Consciousness is partial and changeful, AWARENESS is total, changeless, calm and silent. And it is the common matrix of every experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2001 Report Share Posted September 20, 2001 Dear El and Paul, I appreciate what you wrote! You wrote though: > The REAL YOU is the CHANGELESS. The *REAL* YOU? Of course in what you wrote and what follows, we could substitute the word 'I' for 'you'... but okay... that is only minor. (And anyway, in full reality of love there is no distinction between you and I.) Aside from that, it does not serve a useful purpose 'in and for realization', to call one thing 'real', as distinct from something else that may be called 'unreal'. > The REAL YOU is the CHANGELESS. Of course, the changeful is really you as well...just changeful. It is that miraculous creative faculty of yours..., originating in you, from you... We are the cause AND effect of our being... really! In reality there is no distinction between 'changeless' and 'changeful'. Terms like 'changeless' and 'changeful' are only concepts... Concepts are not real, concepts have no value in reality... Reality is... Concepts are not... If anything, concepts are mnemonic tools that may - or may not - aid in realization. Full realization discounts and discards all concepts. In reality one cannot to the idea that the 'changeless is real' and that the 'changeful is illusion'. The changeful may be maya all right, but maya is not the same as illusion... A lot, if not all, is lost in the translation... That's why it is preferable and... easier (oh yes!)... to be enlightened and realized yourself. That way you don't have to look for interpretation and meaning. So get with it... realize that you are it... Love, El... Wim PS. No criticism intended... just pointing out the need express oneself correctly... the first step to regain one's realization. elizabeth_wells2001 [elizabeth_wells2001] Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:29 PM Nisargadatta TO PAUL--Re: Awareness and consciousness Paul: Forget the dictionary. Catch the gist. What appears and disappers, --what is CHANGEFUL -- falls under the word consciousness. What does not appear and disappear, --what is CHANGELESS-- falls under the word Awareness. The CHANGEFUL appears and disappears in the CHANGELESS. The REAL YOU is the CHANGELESS. El --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.277 / Virus Database: 146 - Release 9/5/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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