Guest guest Posted September 26, 2001 Report Share Posted September 26, 2001 JB aren't you saying everything is Maya (including all these emails)?? -- On Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:50:27 JB789 wrote: >The following might sound a bit, like depression/pessimism... > >..but, Game, being a happening/behaviour within a certain set of >predefined and agreed upon (or forced upon) Rules, Roles, >rights & wrongs, good & bad values, shoulds¬s, directions .. >looking close enough, I see >_nothing but_ Games !.. >Arbitrary, man-made games. >Even in one's occupation with the most 'elevated, transcendental and >holy' matters.. though they give a peculiar energy/stimulation to the >body-mind, .. more of the same .. games & games. >And I would not be surprised, if 99,9999999999 % and more of what's >happening and being said at all these 'enlightenment' web-sites, >books and gatherings,.. is, conventional Games.. traditional or anti- >traditional or middle-path games. >And one may exchange one game for another, but the Same Game goes on. >And most probably, what I write now, is also part of some game,.. >the game that there Must/might-be, something Else than this Game. >War, religions, values in society, holy books, football, jobs, >rituals, relationships (incl. 'love'), nationalism, 'spiritual' >activities/practices/meditations and cults, traditions, hobbies, >believer/agnostic/atheist, dying in the Name of .., sticking to one >or dropping all spiritual clubs.. etc. etc. ... >all Games. >If it so, what happens ?.. >Either one says: .. " well if it's all a hoax, the hell with all of >it ! .. whether I die at the end of a healthy life or of liver >trouble due to being an alchoholic or of AIDS.. or of being chair- >electrocuted due to a crime.. or of yoga-standing on my head too >long..or committing suicide, or of trying to open my third eye with a >nail and hammer (as some tradition actually recommends)..it has no >real meaning either way .. " >Or one closes the eyes to the what-is, and joins and sticks to the >saving-raft/rope(or end of it) of one's choice..'THE Way' or 'non- >path', in great pink ( & hidden) hopes.. >Or one consciously chooses to play the game of one's choice, worldly, >social or spiritual, _As If_ it was some 'absolute transcendental and >Ultimate reality or means thereto' or at least 'good enough for me'.. >Or one believes " it's all illusion " .. or " it's all God " .. >Or one confesses " I know nothing! " , while >actually utterly drowning, in one of the above games.- >Or .. ? >JB. > > Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2001 Report Share Posted September 26, 2001 If I would've lived in a Hindu/Buddhist country, 'Maya' would've been an appropriate term to use. But in an English/international speaking milieu, to use that word would be part of the 'game' of limitations I've written about.. using a peculiarly 'spiritual' term, makes one feel that one 'understands'.. So, I used 'game'. So what happens, when one sees all this ? JB -------- Nisargadatta, " Vineet Kumar " <vineet_kumar0@l...> wrote: > JB aren't you saying everything is Maya (including all these emails)?? > -- > > On Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:50:27 > JB789 wrote: > >The following might sound a bit, like depression/pessimism... > > > >..but, Game, being a happening/behaviour within a certain set of > >predefined and agreed upon (or forced upon) Rules, Roles, > >rights & wrongs, good & bad values, shoulds¬s, directions .. > >looking close enough, I see > >_nothing but_ Games !.. > >Arbitrary, man-made games. > >Even in one's occupation with the most 'elevated, transcendental and > >holy' matters.. though they give a peculiar energy/stimulation to the > >body-mind, .. more of the same .. games & games. > >And I would not be surprised, if 99,9999999999 % and more of what's > >happening and being said at all these 'enlightenment' web-sites, > >books and gatherings,.. is, conventional Games.. traditional or anti- > >traditional or middle-path games. > >And one may exchange one game for another, but the Same Game goes on. > >And most probably, what I write now, is also part of some game,.. > >the game that there Must/might-be, something Else than this Game. > >War, religions, values in society, holy books, football, jobs, > >rituals, relationships (incl. 'love'), nationalism, 'spiritual' > >activities/practices/meditations and cults, traditions, hobbies, > >believer/agnostic/atheist, dying in the Name of .., sticking to one > >or dropping all spiritual clubs.. etc. etc. ... > >all Games. > >If it so, what happens ?.. > >Either one says: .. " well if it's all a hoax, the hell with all of > >it ! .. whether I die at the end of a healthy life or of liver > >trouble due to being an alchoholic or of AIDS.. or of being chair- > >electrocuted due to a crime.. or of yoga-standing on my head too > >long..or committing suicide, or of trying to open my third eye with a > >nail and hammer (as some tradition actually recommends)..it has no > >real meaning either way .. " > >Or one closes the eyes to the what-is, and joins and sticks to the > >saving-raft/rope(or end of it) of one's choice..'THE Way' or 'non- > >path', in great pink ( & hidden) hopes.. > >Or one consciously chooses to play the game of one's choice, worldly, > >social or spiritual, _As If_ it was some 'absolute transcendental and > >Ultimate reality or means thereto' or at least 'good enough for me'.. > >Or one believes " it's all illusion " .. or " it's all God " .. > >Or one confesses " I know nothing! " , while > >actually utterly drowning, in one of the above games.- > >Or .. ? > >JB. > > > > > > > Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. > http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2001 Report Share Posted September 26, 2001 whatever happens when " one " sees all this.........if its describable,communicable it is still part of " all this " ....but here one important thing could be, Who sees all this ....since seer can not be seen ......... what is the real worth of seeing?.....when seeing can not affect the seer. Regards, Vineet -- On Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:23:48 JB789 wrote: >If I would've lived in a Hindu/Buddhist country, 'Maya' would've been >an appropriate term to use. >But in an English/international speaking milieu, to use that word >would be part of the 'game' of limitations I've written about.. >using a peculiarly 'spiritual' term, makes one feel that >one 'understands'.. >So, I used 'game'. >So what happens, when one sees all this ? >JB > >-------- >Nisargadatta, " Vineet Kumar " <vineet_kumar0@l...> wrote: >> JB aren't you saying everything is Maya (including all these >emails)?? >> -- >> >> On Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:50:27 >> JB789 wrote: >> >The following might sound a bit, like depression/pessimism... >> > >> >..but, Game, being a happening/behaviour within a certain set of >> >predefined and agreed upon (or forced upon) Rules, Roles, >> >rights & wrongs, good & bad values, shoulds¬s, directions .. >> >looking close enough, I see >> >_nothing but_ Games !.. >> >Arbitrary, man-made games. >> >Even in one's occupation with the most 'elevated, transcendental >and >> >holy' matters.. though they give a peculiar energy/stimulation to >the >> >body-mind, .. more of the same .. games & games. >> >And I would not be surprised, if 99,9999999999 % and more of >what's >> >happening and being said at all these 'enlightenment' web-sites, >> >books and gatherings,.. is, conventional Games.. traditional or >anti- >> >traditional or middle-path games. >> >And one may exchange one game for another, but the Same Game goes >on. >> >And most probably, what I write now, is also part of some game,.. >> >the game that there Must/might-be, something Else than this Game. >> >War, religions, values in society, holy books, football, jobs, >> >rituals, relationships (incl. 'love'), nationalism, 'spiritual' >> >activities/practices/meditations and cults, traditions, hobbies, >> >believer/agnostic/atheist, dying in the Name of .., sticking to >one >> >or dropping all spiritual clubs.. etc. etc. ... >> >all Games. >> >If it so, what happens ?.. >> >Either one says: .. " well if it's all a hoax, the hell with all of >> >it ! .. whether I die at the end of a healthy life or of liver >> >trouble due to being an alchoholic or of AIDS.. or of being chair- >> >electrocuted due to a crime.. or of yoga-standing on my head too >> >long..or committing suicide, or of trying to open my third eye >with a >> >nail and hammer (as some tradition actually recommends)..it has no >> >real meaning either way .. " >> >Or one closes the eyes to the what-is, and joins and sticks to the >> >saving-raft/rope(or end of it) of one's choice..'THE Way' or 'non- >> >path', in great pink ( & hidden) hopes.. >> >Or one consciously chooses to play the game of one's choice, >worldly, >> >social or spiritual, _As If_ it was some 'absolute transcendental >and >> >Ultimate reality or means thereto' or at least 'good enough for >me'.. >> >Or one believes " it's all illusion " .. or " it's all God " .. >> >Or one confesses " I know nothing! " , while >> >actually utterly drowning, in one of the above games.- >> >Or .. ? >> >JB. >> > >> > >> >> >> Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. >> http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp > > Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2001 Report Share Posted September 27, 2001 I see your point, .. but if there is " no worth in 'seeing' " , then why has N. recommended (sorry, do not have any quotations handy).. to look within, to see things as they are with honesty, to see the false, to be aware.. ...? regards JB ------------------------- Nisargadatta, " Vineet Kumar " <vineet_kumar0@l...> wrote: > whatever happens when " one " sees all this.........if its describable,communicable it is still part of " all this " ....but here one important thing could be, Who sees all this ....since seer can not be seen ........ what is the real worth of seeing?.....when seeing can not affect the seer. > > Regards, > Vineet > -- > > On Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:23:48 > JB789 wrote: > >If I would've lived in a Hindu/Buddhist country, 'Maya' would've been > >an appropriate term to use. > >But in an English/international speaking milieu, to use that word > >would be part of the 'game' of limitations I've written about.. > >using a peculiarly 'spiritual' term, makes one feel that > >one 'understands'.. > >So, I used 'game'. > >So what happens, when one sees all this ? > >JB > > > >-------- > >Nisargadatta, " Vineet Kumar " <vineet_kumar0@l...> wrote: > >> JB aren't you saying everything is Maya (including all these > >emails)?? > >> -- > >> > >> On Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:50:27 > >> JB789 wrote: > >> >The following might sound a bit, like depression/pessimism... > >> > > >> >..but, Game, being a happening/behaviour within a certain set of > >> >predefined and agreed upon (or forced upon) Rules, Roles, > >> >rights & wrongs, good & bad values, shoulds¬s, directions .. > >> >looking close enough, I see > >> >_nothing but_ Games !.. > >> >Arbitrary, man-made games. > >> >Even in one's occupation with the most 'elevated, transcendental > >and > >> >holy' matters.. though they give a peculiar energy/stimulation to > >the > >> >body-mind, .. more of the same .. games & games. > >> >And I would not be surprised, if 99,9999999999 % and more of > >what's > >> >happening and being said at all these 'enlightenment' web- sites, > >> >books and gatherings,.. is, conventional Games.. traditional or > >anti- > >> >traditional or middle-path games. > >> >And one may exchange one game for another, but the Same Game goes > >on. > >> >And most probably, what I write now, is also part of some game,.. > >> >the game that there Must/might-be, something Else than this Game. > >> >War, religions, values in society, holy books, football, jobs, > >> >rituals, relationships (incl. 'love'), nationalism, 'spiritual' > >> >activities/practices/meditations and cults, traditions, hobbies, > >> >believer/agnostic/atheist, dying in the Name of .., sticking to > >one > >> >or dropping all spiritual clubs.. etc. etc. ... > >> >all Games. > >> >If it so, what happens ?.. > >> >Either one says: .. " well if it's all a hoax, the hell with all of > >> >it ! .. whether I die at the end of a healthy life or of liver > >> >trouble due to being an alchoholic or of AIDS.. or of being chair- > >> >electrocuted due to a crime.. or of yoga-standing on my head too > >> >long..or committing suicide, or of trying to open my third eye > >with a > >> >nail and hammer (as some tradition actually recommends)..it has no > >> >real meaning either way .. " > >> >Or one closes the eyes to the what-is, and joins and sticks to the > >> >saving-raft/rope(or end of it) of one's choice..'THE Way' or 'non- > >> >path', in great pink ( & hidden) hopes.. > >> >Or one consciously chooses to play the game of one's choice, > >worldly, > >> >social or spiritual, _As If_ it was some 'absolute transcendental > >and > >> >Ultimate reality or means thereto' or at least 'good enough for > >me'.. > >> >Or one believes " it's all illusion " .. or " it's all God " .. > >> >Or one confesses " I know nothing! " , while > >> >actually utterly drowning, in one of the above games.- > >> >Or .. ? > >> >JB. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. > >> http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp > > > > > > > Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. > http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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