Genocide in Afghanistan

October 21, 2001

Hur,

your name in my language(Swedish) means how.

Thank you for your contribution. I hear a sincere caring in

it. The understanding of deep causes of all this which now

is happening is paramount yet as you say some facts are not

being even analyzed. I do not trust the media but then

alternative media not always presents an alternative.

I know the spiritual advice....just

watch....anything...just watch....in this case it is a

challenge....I know by my own experience that every time I

get identified and involved I tend to create more trouble

then there already is....it is a rope to walk....

A woman I meet on a discussion forum says she now bakes

bread to give to the neighbours. She lives in Europe and

this is her way to cope....what ways are there to cope? A

question we all need to ask.

For me it always boils down to a " level of consciousness " .

A humanity is up to an unavoidable lesson, I feel....how

much can anyone care about getting a new model of a

car.... which needs petrol coming from oil.... coming from

saudies...and there are starving people being bombed....we

closed our eyes far too many times...all is interconnected

inthe most amazing way....inwardoutward and in all

dimensions we do not even dream about.

I am sitting in my comfortable western home, I had my

meals, my gathered belongings of a lifetime are intact...

I never experienced a war directly...how am I to contribute

to the global peace that I so wish for in my

heart....certainly a question to ask....certainly a

question worth finding an answer to.

friendly

caiti

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October 21, 2001

well, the genocide is the Taliban against their own people. Even

before the 9-11, we knew about the Taliban's genocide towards the

Afghanis who refused to comply with their strict form of Islam.

Those Buddhas the Taliban destroyed, the other statues that were made

with love. Everything is illegal in Afghanistan... The place was

taken over by tyrants. How do you propose to deal with this?

We gave them a full month to hand over the culprits. After this

period of time it is clear they are in cahoots.

I don't believe we are targetting the 'neighborhoods'... yet realize

some of them might get hurt...

When it gets up to 5000 civilians, call me.

Wake up Har Guler

October 22, 2001

Hi Hur,

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Hur Guler

Nisargadatta

Sunday, October 21, 2001 11:03 AM

Genocide in Afghanistan

I hardly ever write anything political. I used to work as a columnist for a business magazine in Turkey and after a couple of years my idealism abandoned me and I stopped writing. Like many other countries in the Near East, Turkey is not a stranger to terrorism. It's a fact of life there. I was sad to see that this cycle of violence, which was once foreign to the American psyche is also taking place in this country. What is surprising to me is that even the so called liberal minds lost their ideals and become attached to their imagined national (tribal) and religious (superstitious) identities. When I saw that hardly anyone reported the impending genocide in Afghanistan, I considered it to be my moral duty to point it out. Before this piece let me state that this email assumes: 1. What happened in NY was a horrendous crime against humanity.2. Those who are responsible for this act of terrorism should be brought to justice. Let's start with a simple question. What would you do if someone burned your house? Would you find out who did it and (a) Take him to court, which means presenting evidence.(b) Don't bother going to court, just burn his house. © Burn the entire neighborhood. While one can argue one does not need to follow (a) if one is a super power and simply execute (b) or ©, the obvious problem with © is that you are also punishing people who had nothing to do with the crime. This is exactly what is going on in Afghanistan today. The innocent people in Afghanistan have nothing to do with Taliban or Bin Ladin and they are in fact victims of Taliban and foreign interventions. The ironic fact is that in the long run nothing can help Bin Ladin's cause more than killing innocent civilians.

San:

Yes.

I live relatively closer to the action and also in the country with the second largest Muslim population in the world.

All that, the last 2 weeks bombing has done, is to bring together a significant and growing percentage of the Billion Muslims, worldwide, to the conviction that this is indeed a "crusade" against Islam.

The US Govt censorship on their own media and blocking El Jareeza network is really shooting their own foot.

For El Jareeza broadcasts are freely available in the Muslim world and all that I am seeing in the last 10 days is innocent civilians and kids getting blown, or lying blood stained in hospitals which are supposed to run out of medical supplies in another weeks time.

Dirty brick lines houses bombed, schools, hospitals, Red Cross warehouses with food grains and blankets on fire or bombed to dust.

The Taliban on El Jareeza has claimed around 900 Civilians dead due to US bombing and also claim, having killed 25 US troops who were raiding some outpost in Khandahar.

There might well be a good element of political editing in these visuals and reports/claims, but that's what a Billion Muslims are seeing and remember they want to believe that there is a crusade against Islam.

Hence the belief sees the very pictures which reinforce the belief.

And thus "Bin Ladens" are getting born by the minute.

And the Muslim psyche doesn't forget.

It might be 6 months or 6 years or 16 years, the US will now remain a target, even if this particular war stops tomorrow.

The Islamic jihad, I am afraid, is on.

I was amused when speaking at a gathering, the usual retort from "Western" audience is around "but look at the number of Muslim countries who have supported this war on terrorism".

Let's look at who they are:

-Pakistan, a Govt in power through a military coup, supports the WOT, while streets in Karachi,and in border states with Afghanistan, are aflame with riots.

-Saudi Arabia/Gulf States/Middle East, which are variations of monarchies propped up by Western powers with no or very little attunement with the ethos of the local population.

-Indonesia, the biggest Muslim populated country in the world, yes the Govt's official position is with the US, is racked by riots and ransacking of American assets.

-India-the second biggest Muslim populated country in the world, gung-ho with the US position,hoping the next US target will be Pakistan itself, which it believes is the centre of all Islamic terrorist camps, training, arms, drug trafficking and finance, etc

And the rumblings are beginning, with last night one Coca-Cola factory bombed to kingdom come.

-Palestinine

Yasser Arafat condemned 9-11, but now he is busy trying to save his skin with the Israeli tanks rolling in, following the assassination of the Israeli MP, last week.

With this support, the US and the Western powers hope that the Muslim quom, worldwide will accept their contention that it's not a clash of civilizations.

And 3 weeks of bombing with cluster bombs and bunker penetrating exotic stuff, both Omar Mullah and Osama Ben Laden seem to be happily giving interviews to the El Jareeza network.The Pentagon, as per a report, I am told, has found out that there maybe 4 dummy Osama Ben Ladens floating about to confuse the trackers.

For all you know, the real Osama Ben Laden might be in the US, right from the beginning.

Already the cracks in the coalition has started.

Today Russia and China issued a joint statement asking for immediate halting of all Military actions in Afghanistan.

Britain, initially the wanabe cowboy, after some anthrax spores on British soil, seems to be withdrawing into the British stiff upper lip.

I suspect they all see this foray getting out of hand with China/Russia while not having a significant Muslim population, do have a Muslim issue within their borders.UK has a sizable Muslim population and is also the centre of many of the Islamic fundamentalist groups.

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Most media outlets does not alert the public about the genocide that is about to happen. Afghanistan was in ruins already. Most farmers could not plant and people could not feed themselves which meant they depended heavily on foreign aid. The supply lines have been cut. The only way they can receive food is by trucking it and this is not possible under the current circumstances since the US will not allow it. US proposes food aid by air but it will not work. Media reports this fact without even analyzing. Is this so hard to imagine? Let's say that you live in Colorado. If the high flying military planes drop food at random locations in Colorado, what is the chance of your getting it? If don't know where and when the food will be delivered, you won't get it. Although you may find out about it in Colorado by watching your local news, in Afghanistan there is no way for you to know this logistic fact.

San:

Yes.

And also do you know what these food aid packages are made up of?

Baked beans,peanut butter, some type of dressings,napkins and plastic spoons and few other food stuff.

Here's a Afghani, bombed out of his ramshackle of a house, not having had any food for the last 7 days or so, takes napkins and plastic spoons and wonders what to do with it.He has probably never seen these in his life.

Again, maybe staged interview on E Jareeza, showing an Afghani family with the US markings food package, spitting at it, vowing to starve rather than eat the food from the infidels.

And the Muslim quom worldwide, seeing this interview, stands up on it's feet, arms raised in pan-Islamic brotherhood against the infidels.

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The undeniable fact is that under the current circumstances by the end of winter millions of people in Afghanistan will die, not by bombs but from starvation.

San:

Yes.

With the winter approaching, that will indeed be the case.

For the end of hostilities by the US, will not end the hostilities in Afghanistan.

The Northern Alliance, which has now become the blue eyed boys of the US, (the Taliban were the erstwhile blue eyed boys, while kicking the shit of the Soviets) are in fact no better than the Taliban, in terms of raping and killing Afghanis of the other tribes.Under their regime, in Kabul, 5 years back, over 50,000 Afghanis were killed.

So once, thanks to the US military forays, when the Northern Alliance or whatever combination comes into power, post Taliban, there will be another round of bloodshed and ethnic genocide.

This genocide will not be committed by an abstract entity but by you, me and all of us.

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Indeed.

And till the world does not understand that one's security can never be possible, unless the other is equally secured, we will continue to have these fun and games.

Has been going on for the last 5,000 years.

Sandeep