Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 Nisargadatta, " Tony O'Clery " <aoclery> wrote: > Namaste All, > > Religion as an organised system probably only arose in the last few > thousand years. As a result of there being a necessity to have some > sort of mind training for the new lower orders around the world. From > there it became something that could be used as a tool, to control and > order people. The concept is fine the practice is full of interloping > egos and ambitious people. Religion or Fraternal Societies. > > For those on a non dual path religion is superflous, in the main. > Maharaj didn't even get involved beyond bhajans and > stuff....ONS..Tony. ----------------------------- Welcome back to the land of the living, Tony! El .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2001 Report Share Posted October 24, 2001 > " Tony O'Clery " <aoclery >Nisargadatta >Nisargadatta > Religion is a fairly recent phenomena. >Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:45:16 -0000 > >Namaste All, > >Religion as an organised system probably only arose in the last few >thousand years. As a result of there being a necessity to have some >sort of mind training for the new lower orders around the world. From >there it became something that could be used as a tool, to control and >order people. The concept is fine the practice is full of interloping >egos and ambitious people. Religion or Fraternal Societies. [cut] Hya Anthony, Well yes and no. Have a look at this essay that's probably a bit more comprehensive on this particular subject. http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/misc/spthtr.cfm/xid,5276436/yid,53256952 ~dave _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2001 Report Share Posted October 24, 2001 Nisargadatta, " Dave Sirjue " <davesirjue@h...> wrote: > > > > > " Tony O'Clery " <aoclery> > >Nisargadatta > >Nisargadatta > > Religion is a fairly recent phenomena. > >Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:45:16 -0000 > > > > Hya Anthony, > > Well yes and no. Have a look at this essay that's probably a bit more > comprehensive on this particular subject. > http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/misc/spthtr.cfm/xid,5276436/yid,53256 952 > > ~dave Namaste Dave, I think there are different levels of religion and again different levels of spirituality, both not being necessarily the same thing...ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2001 Report Share Posted October 24, 2001 > " Tony O'Clery " <aoclery >Nisargadatta >I think there are different levels of religion and again different >levels of spirituality, both not being necessarily the same >thing...ONS..Tony. > Hi Anthony, The essay offers an alternate view,complementing or negating some of what you were saying, and by all means not the final or whole truth. But back to your point... Are you sure there is a difference between religion and spirituality? Maybe both are the same, having been artificially invented, arbitrarily divided..levels upon levels,.. for convenience of course but ultimately resulting in personal schizophrenia and group psychosis as evidenced by current events. In fact such division may not actually exist. 'What is' - The nature of how things truly are seems to suggest that nothing is fixed,nothing's permanent.. so what's this thing called 'Spirit' ? If ultimately there's nothing like eternal 'Spirit' or 'Soul' then what to say of 'Spiritual life' and by extension religion ? ~dave _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2001 Report Share Posted October 24, 2001 > " Tony O'Clery " <aoclery >Nisargadatta >I think there are different levels of religion and again different >levels of spirituality, both not being necessarily the same >thing...ONS..Tony. > Hi Anthony, The essay offers an alternate view,complementing or negating some of what you were saying, and by all means not the final or whole truth. But back to your point... Are you sure there is a difference between religion and spirituality? Maybe both are the same, having been artificially invented, arbitrarily divided..levels upon levels,.. for convenience of course but ultimately resulting in personal schizophrenia and group psychosis as evidenced by current events. In fact such division may not actually exist. 'What is' - The nature of how things truly are seems to suggest that nothing is fixed,nothing's permanent.. so what's this thing called 'Spirit' ? If ultimately there's nothing like eternal 'Spirit' or 'Soul' then what to say of 'Spiritual life' and by extension religion ? ~dave _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 Tony wrote [[i think there are different levels of religion and again different levels of spirituality, both not being necessarily the same thing.]] ** " Yes " to the former because religion is a man-made construct. " No " to the latter because spirit simply IS. Now, granted, it too is interpreted, but the entire focus is on NOT interpreting spirit. Om Santi ... Yogini Sakti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 Nisargadatta, " Dave Sirjue " <davesirjue@h...> wrote: > > > " Tony O'Clery " <aoclery> > >Nisargadatta > > >I think there are different levels of religion and again different > >levels of spirituality, both not being necessarily the same > >thing...ONS..Tony. > > > > Hi Anthony, > > The essay offers an alternate view,complementing > or negating some of what you were saying, > and by all means not the final or whole truth. > > But back to your point... > Are you sure there is a difference between > religion and spirituality? > Maybe both are the same, having been artificially > invented, arbitrarily divided..levels upon levels,.. > for convenience of course but ultimately resulting in > personal schizophrenia and group psychosis as evidenced > by current events. > In fact such division may not actually exist. > > 'What is' - The nature of how things truly are > seems to suggest that nothing is fixed,nothing's permanent.. > so what's this thing called 'Spirit' ? > If ultimately there's nothing like eternal 'Spirit' or 'Soul' > then what to say of 'Spiritual life' and by extension > religion ? > > > ~dave Namaste Dave, It is all relative, in a way religion can be a form of spirituality. IMO spirituality has some conscious personal effort, whereas religion seems to be following the dictates of other's egos. There is only one soul/spirit in the universe, but what passes for spirituality is practise of some kind. Ultimately this spirit or saguna is also unreal, but for arguments sake we need concepts etc whilst we are still unrealised....ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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