Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 ... as far as I can see, in actuality, there is No such thing as fairness/justice. When one is presented with obvious injustice, there are all kinds of reactions.. anger, self-pity, revenge, or calling the world .. the way we live, Insane.. which it sure looks like .. in spite of this apparent order .. trains and busses run and the bakery opens up in time and you can always go to a movie at the planned time. A short example : my neighbor above, walks in noisy shoes (with hard sole) in her home.. wakes me up, and I can hear the hammering all day and sometimes late at night. I asked if she would be so kind to use softer home shoes (several times during the last 5 years)..as a response I got a threat that I harress her by complaining too much... (!?). I asked the superintendent to talk to her. He thought that her shoes were 'good enough' and had just a 'very small heal'; also she said that I complain when the wheather gets dark .. (so it must be something wrong with me) which is not a fact (during summer I also got disturbed by the noise); the super. says that my hearing is probably too fine so I should accept it. Not a word about whether she is willing to use softer shoes (as her husband does, whom I never hear trampling like she does). Their conclusion was that the fault lies with me... pointing away altogether from the fact of the sole of her shoes touching the bare floor,.. (and humans are considered to be the 'crown of creation' and quite logical beings.)- She could've solved the problem by a simple considerate gesture, of using other shoes .. no big 'sacrifice' if one cares at all, is it ? But she does not. So the solution seems to be, my moving away... (ear plugs won't do, since then I cannot hear the alarm clock, and come late to work. Sorry, if I stretched too long an apprently trivial story. But that's also part of life. So, is that fair.. just ? .. being forced to move, because of malvolence, stubborness ? One can easily say, that it is unfair. 'Unfortunatelly' this is not the US, where you can drag somebody to court, at the smallest annoyance. So what does one do ? Either one begins a 'holy war' or removes oneself .. ...acknowledging the what-is of conditioned fragments, their interaction and unavoidable consequences. So it seems, that insisting on Fairness in this world, is equivelant to signing up for eternal damnation in hell, on earth. & Trying to Not insist, has also its kind of hell. What do you think ? Regards, JB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 JB, For what it's worth, I'll throw in my two cents. Yes, we all want to live in " peace " and might consider that it is only " fair " that we be able to do so,.... BUT, I can tell you from my own experience it NEVER works out that way, and sometimes even if it seems to, it doesn't last long. Example: I live in an apartment complex. We are situated in very close proximity to another apartment complex. About 2 months ago, someone moved in and installed a noisy metal wind chime on their back patio. At night when I am in bed, I hear it as if it were in my own head. At first it almost drove me mad. I considered many things, like banging on their door in the middle of the night, or getting a rope and walking over and lasso-ing it and yanking it down. BB guns or worse entered my crazed fantasies aimed at stopping the dreadful noise. The point I'm trying to make is, the more I resisted the noise, the louder it seemed to get. I realized that it wasn't the noise that was making me crazy, but my resistance to it. You might consider it a cop-out not to 'engage' the so-called " external " source of conlict, but I found that by merely learning to " embrace " the sound as part of the overall " soundscape " of life as it is heard in the moment (without feeling inner justification for it's 'badness' or 'goodness') that the problem I had with it went away. The noise is still there, but now it just blends in with all the other sounds...the ticking of the clock next to my bed, the sound of my partner breathing next to me, the wind blowing through the trees. I think it's easier to adjust " how " we are with life around us (i.e. learn to embrace what is) rather than trying to change what is out there in order to bring it into accord with our comfort zone. If you are intent on achieving " fairness " in the world, good luck. If you are intent on achieving " peace " in the world, good luck. If you are intent on achieving the perfect circumstances in life you think you need in order to..........(you fill in the blank), good luck, you will always be disapponted. Karen ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2001 Report Share Posted November 8, 2001 Karen & Friends, I think that it is work. I think that you are doing that work. No one ever said that it would be easy. I don't think it ever is. yours in the bonds, eric Nisargadatta, Karen Sattler <ksattler2@j...> wrote: > JB, > For what it's worth, I'll throw in my two cents. > Yes, we all want to live in " peace " and might consider that it is only > " fair " that we be able to do so,.... > BUT, I can tell you from my own experience it NEVER works out that way, > and sometimes even if it seems to, it doesn't last long. > Example: I live in an apartment complex. We are situated in very close > proximity to another apartment complex. About 2 months ago, someone > moved in and installed a noisy metal wind chime on their back patio. At > night when I am in bed, I hear it as if it were in my own head. At first > it almost drove me mad. I considered many things, like banging on their > door in the middle of the night, or getting a rope and walking over and > lasso-ing it and yanking it down. BB guns or worse entered my crazed > fantasies aimed at stopping the dreadful noise. > The point I'm trying to make is, the more I resisted the noise, the > louder it seemed to get. > I realized that it wasn't the noise that was making me crazy, but my > resistance to it. You might consider it a cop-out not to 'engage' the > so-called " external " source of conlict, but I found that by merely > learning to " embrace " the sound as part of the overall " soundscape " of > life as it is heard in the moment (without feeling inner justification > for it's 'badness' or 'goodness') that the problem I had with it went > away. The noise is still there, but now it just blends in with all the > other sounds...the ticking of the clock next to my bed, the sound of my > partner breathing next to me, the wind blowing through the trees. > I think it's easier to adjust " how " we are with life around us (i.e. > learn to embrace what is) rather than trying to change what is out there > in order to bring it into accord with our comfort zone. > If you are intent on achieving " fairness " in the world, good luck. If > you are intent on achieving " peace " in the world, good luck. If you are > intent on achieving the perfect circumstances in life you think you need > in order to..........(you fill in the blank), good luck, you will always > be disapponted. > > > Karen > ______________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2001 Report Share Posted November 8, 2001 Thank you Karen for the sharing. Resistence has a lot to do with the discomfort. However, how do you tell your body, when shaken out of sleep at 6,.. getting these heavy heartbeats(2 hours before I intend to) to embrace the banging ? .. Can one get to love 'chineze water torture' ? .. to the point that it becomes part of meditation ? I doubt it. Perhaps Eckhart Tolle is right when saying that surrender to an uncomfortable situation, does not mean sinking in the mud out of despair .. 'either accept fully or get out .. but stop whining' .. makes sense .. so I might have to move .. but that brings it's own anger .. 'calousness has won again !' .. Regards, JB Nisargadatta, Karen Sattler <ksattler2@j...> wrote: > JB, > For what it's worth, I'll throw in my two cents. > Yes, we all want to live in " peace " and might consider that it is only > " fair " that we be able to do so,.... > BUT, I can tell you from my own experience it NEVER works out that way, > and sometimes even if it seems to, it doesn't last long. > Example: I live in an apartment complex. We are situated in very close > proximity to another apartment complex. About 2 months ago, someone > moved in and installed a noisy metal wind chime on their back patio. At > night when I am in bed, I hear it as if it were in my own head. At first > it almost drove me mad. I considered many things, like banging on their > door in the middle of the night, or getting a rope and walking over and > lasso-ing it and yanking it down. BB guns or worse entered my crazed > fantasies aimed at stopping the dreadful noise. > The point I'm trying to make is, the more I resisted the noise, the > louder it seemed to get. > I realized that it wasn't the noise that was making me crazy, but my > resistance to it. You might consider it a cop-out not to 'engage' the > so-called " external " source of conlict, but I found that by merely > learning to " embrace " the sound as part of the overall " soundscape " of > life as it is heard in the moment (without feeling inner justification > for it's 'badness' or 'goodness') that the problem I had with it went > away. The noise is still there, but now it just blends in with all the > other sounds...the ticking of the clock next to my bed, the sound of my > partner breathing next to me, the wind blowing through the trees. > I think it's easier to adjust " how " we are with life around us (i.e. > learn to embrace what is) rather than trying to change what is out there > in order to bring it into accord with our comfort zone. > If you are intent on achieving " fairness " in the world, good luck. If > you are intent on achieving " peace " in the world, good luck. If you are > intent on achieving the perfect circumstances in life you think you need > in order to..........(you fill in the blank), good luck, you will always > be disapponted. > > > Karen > ______________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2001 Report Share Posted November 8, 2001 Nisargadatta, JB789@h... wrote: > Thank you Karen for the sharing. > Resistence has a lot to do with the discomfort. > However, how do you tell your body, when shaken out of sleep at 6,.. > getting these heavy heartbeats(2 hours before I intend to) to embrace > the banging ? .. > Can one get to love 'chineze water torture' ? .. to the point that it > becomes part of meditation ? > I doubt it. > Perhaps Eckhart Tolle is right when saying that surrender to an > uncomfortable situation, does not mean sinking in the mud out of > despair .. 'either accept fully or get out .. but stop whining' .. > makes sense .. > so I might have to move .. > but that brings it's own anger .. 'calousness has won again !' .. > Regards, > JB > > > > Nisargadatta, Karen Sattler <ksattler2@j...> wrote: > > JB, > > For what it's worth, I'll throw in my two cents. > > Yes, we all want to live in " peace " and might consider that it is > only > > " fair " that we be able to do so,.... > > BUT, I can tell you from my own experience it NEVER works out that > way, > > and sometimes even if it seems to, it doesn't last long. > > Example: I live in an apartment complex. We are situated in very > close > > proximity to another apartment complex. About 2 months ago, someone > > moved in and installed a noisy metal wind chime on their back > patio. At > > night when I am in bed, I hear it as if it were in my own head. At > first > > it almost drove me mad. I considered many things, like banging on > their > > door in the middle of the night, or getting a rope and walking over > and > > lasso-ing it and yanking it down. BB guns or worse entered my > crazed > > fantasies aimed at stopping the dreadful noise. > > The point I'm trying to make is, the more I resisted the noise, the > > louder it seemed to get. > > I realized that it wasn't the noise that was making me crazy, but my > > resistance to it. You might consider it a cop-out not to 'engage' > the > > so-called " external " source of conlict, but I found that by merely > > learning to " embrace " the sound as part of the overall " soundscape " > of > > life as it is heard in the moment (without feeling inner > justification > > for it's 'badness' or 'goodness') that the problem I had with it > went > > away. The noise is still there, but now it just blends in with all > the > > other sounds...the ticking of the clock next to my bed, the sound > of my > > partner breathing next to me, the wind blowing through the trees. > > I think it's easier to adjust " how " we are with life around us (i.e. > > learn to embrace what is) rather than trying to change what is out > there > > in order to bring it into accord with our comfort zone. > > If you are intent on achieving " fairness " in the world, good luck. > If > > you are intent on achieving " peace " in the world, good luck. If > you are > > intent on achieving the perfect circumstances in life you think you > need > > in order to..........(you fill in the blank), good luck, you will > always > > be disapponted. > > > > > > Karen m/get/web/. Namaste All,IMO, One can stand anything even 'Chinese Water Torture', if one lives in the present, for then it only happens at once/once. If one can be the observer then nothing is experienced just observed. Life is absolutely fair for karma is perfectly balanced and we only meet self. Whilst one is in the world one must be a fighter for justice and fairness for lack of these things distract from the real job---achieving moksha or the lifting of illusion.......ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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