Guest guest Posted November 16, 2001 Report Share Posted November 16, 2001 " Manuel V. Hernandez " <manuel1498> Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 3:09 am Subject: A Net of Jewels November 17 A NET of JEWELS daily meditations for seekers of Truth RAMESH S. BALSEKAR http://www.advaita.org November 17 No one is born, no one dies. What is born is only a concept. There is no entity to be freed. Not understanding this fact is the ----bondage----- of ignorance. Apperception of it is the freedom of truth. And the apperception of truth is not in time - it is always instantaneous. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2001 Report Share Posted November 16, 2001 Ramesh-- " What is born is only a concept. " El The concept " I am " . .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2001 Report Share Posted November 17, 2001 << elizabeth_wells2001 Ramesh-- " What is born is only a concept. " El The concept " I am " . >> KKT: Unfortunately what reaps the result (i.e. the suffering) is not a concept but the << real >> body/mind :-)) Peace, KKT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2001 Report Share Posted November 17, 2001 There's no conflict necessary between the idea of the body/mind being " real " (viewed one way) and " conceptual/unreal " (viewed from another perspective). It's only a matter of 'point of view'. Body/mind's don't suffer, " I " suffer... " me's " suffer. The 'problem of suffering' can be reduced purely to identity & attachment. Cheers, Tim Nisargadatta, phamdluan@a... wrote: > > << > elizabeth_wells2001 > > > > Ramesh-- > > " What is born is only a concept. " > > > > El > > The concept " I am " . > > > >> > > > KKT: Unfortunately what reaps > the result (i.e. the suffering) is not > a concept but the << real >> body/mind :-)) > > > Peace, > > > KKT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2001 Report Share Posted November 17, 2001 Hello Tim and welcome back :-)) << coresite (Omkara) There's no conflict necessary between the idea of the body/mind being " real " (viewed one way) and " conceptual/unreal " (viewed from another perspective). It's only a matter of 'point of view'. Body/mind's don't suffer, " I " suffer... " me's " suffer. The 'problem of suffering' can be reduced purely to identity & attachment. Cheers, Tim KKT: But how about pain which is a bodily sensation and not a concept ? Put you hand over a stove and you will know what it means :-)) One may dis-identify oneself with the body but pain is always a reality. Cheers :-) KKT =========== Nisargadatta, phamdluan@a... wrote: > > << > elizabeth_wells2001 > > > > Ramesh-- > > " What is born is only a concept. " > > > > El > > The concept " I am " . > > > >> > > > KKT: Unfortunately what reaps > the result (i.e. the suffering) is not > a concept but the << real >> body/mind :-)) > > > Peace, > > > KKT >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2001 Report Share Posted November 18, 2001 i didn't go anywhere... but thanks just the same ;-). Nisargadatta, phamdluan@a... wrote: > > Hello Tim and welcome back :-)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2001 Report Share Posted November 18, 2001 > No one is born, no one dies. > > What is born is only a concept. > There is no entity to be freed. > > Not understanding this fact > is the ----bondage----- > of ignorance. Who could possibly have been born to enter a state of ignorance? > > Apperception of it is the > freedom of truth. > > And the apperception of truth > is not in time - > it is always instantaneous. What else is there? Find the one for you at Personals http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2001 Report Share Posted November 18, 2001 --- phamdluan wrote: > > << > elizabeth_wells2001 > > > > Ramesh-- > > " What is born is only a concept. " > > > > El > > The concept " I am " . > > > >> > > > > > KKT: Unfortunately what reaps > the result (i.e. the suffering) is not > a concept but the << real >> body/mind :-)) > > > Peace, > > > KKT Believing that *is* suffering -- -- Dan Find the one for you at Personals http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 Nisargadatta, d b <dan330033> wrote: > > KKT: Unfortunately what reaps > > the result (i.e. the suffering) is not > > a concept but the << real >> body/mind :-)) > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > KKT > > Believing that *is* suffering -- > > -- Dan So true... of course, believing that the body/mind is conceptual or " unreal " isn't 'helpful' either :-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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