Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 "REAL" is that NEVER changes... "ilusory" is that changes... A black dot on a white paper sheet is both "REAL" and "ilusory" and not "REAL" or "ilusory" .. .. .. .. .. - ..To keep the whining from assuming deafening proportions. So we coulde saythat the Absolute has no shape and no individual consciousness. No, we could not. In order to say something, or not say something, the "sayer" has to be separate from the Absolute and thus that Absolute is not all that Absolute. There'se no such a thing as being "separate"..... Separateness is The REAL, The ABSOULUTE looking to "IT"self and "using" another characteristic of "IT"self called memory.... whatever this could mean.... .. .. .. .. .. Let'sanalyse this more closely.....If truth is "one", unchangeable, and all the whole cosmic diversity isoriginating from this said Absolute....Sholdn't the very Absolute beholdteh qualities of the things (illusories or not) originated ofit....including the individual personality? Qualities "appears" to be present or not depending the way you look at YOUR-SELF .... they can appear or disappear depending on the "angle" or "time" you "look" ... And if the nature of world andof the "Jivatman" is illusory, but even this illusion isBrahman... Indeed. As a Zen prattling goes.. First the mountains and the spring were mountains and springs. Then the mountains and the spring were an illusion. Finally the mountains and the spring were mountains and springs. The "wave" in the Ocean is an illusion. The waves begins and disappears TO the LOOKER.... but neither one is separated from each other... However pick up a "wave" in your hand and all that you will have in the palm of your hand is the Ocean.The gold-necklace is an illusion, but melt it and all you will have is liquid gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 Nisargadatta, " e-agora... " <e-agora...@u...> wrote: > " REAL " is that NEVER changes... > " ilusory " is that changes... By that definition nothing is real, since every *thing* changes. Not to say there isn't a reality, but it's not a thing and not an it... 'it' neither affirms nor denies, while language affirms only. So discussing " reality " is as foolish as it gets -- language can't capture (or even point to) reality. Sometimes it makes quite a spectacle though :-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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