To and for Jb - You're a great teacher. Thank you!

[Guest guest]

Hi Jb,

 

I want to thank you for such a graphic and splendid clear cut portrayal

of egohood.

 

I've watched you play the " cat and mouse " , " victim-victimizer " game with

Judi R for quite some time. First you bitch, whine, whimper, moan, and

complain to several lists about how you were " mistreated " , trying to find

" sympathy " from others to " validate " your " poor me " mantra. Then, when

you've strewn your shit all over the place time and time again, pretended to

be " dumb " and " ignorant " about repeated warnings about " 3 strikes " , etc,

Judi finally, with obvious care, affection, and humor to let you back on the

list.

 

However, instead of being grateful for getting what you so vehemently

pursued and said you wanted (which was to be let back on the list), just

like a little spoiled repulsive " Momma's Boy " brat, you " refused " her

invitation as if it were perversely wallowing in and gloriously (yet

despicably) relishing some sort of infantile " revenge " .

 

I have to hand it to you. All the while you adamantly argued for your

limitations and refused to experience yourself as being bigger than your

" vendetta " and " grudge holding. " Your modus operandi appears to be, " I've

been mistreated therefore I exist. " Paraphrased, it's " I've been hurt

therefore fuck you and I'll get you back. Reject me and I'll reject you. "

 

So, here's a question for you, " How the hell do you think you'll ever

experience enlightenment if you keep on hugging and worshipping your 'toxic

righteousness' and 'oh, woe is me' inner chant so strongly? "

 

You're a trip, Jb. I enjoy seeing your antics as it helps me become

more aware of mine. You're a great teacher! I bow to you. I won't kiss your

ass, but I will bow.

 

- Michael

[Guest guest]

 

Michael Adamson [Adamson]

Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:54 AM

 

You're a trip, Jb. I enjoy seeing your antics as it helps me become

more aware of mine. You're a great teacher! I bow to you. I won't kiss your

ass, but I will bow.

 

- Michael

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Thank you for letting us know.

Harsha

[Guest guest]

<<

coresite (fewtch)

 

< snip >

 

the power is JB's mind, the dictator... don't

look at the butt, look toward the other end :-).

 

Cheers,

 

Tim

 

>>

 

 

 

 

 

KKT: Reverse the look

and everything will be clear :-))

 

 

Cheers :-)

 

 

KKT

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta, " Michael Adamson " <Adamson@s...> wrote:

> Hi Jb,

>

> I want to thank you for such a graphic and splendid clear cut

portrayal

> of egohood.

>

> I've watched you play the " cat and mouse " , " victim-victimizer "

game with

> Judi R for quite some time. First you bitch, whine, whimper, moan,

and

> complain to several lists about how you were " mistreated " , trying

to find

> " sympathy " from others to " validate " your " poor me " mantra. Then,

when

> you've strewn your shit all over the place time and time again,

pretended to

> be " dumb " and " ignorant " about repeated warnings about " 3 strikes " ,

etc,

> Judi finally, with obvious care, affection, and humor to let you

back on the

> list.

>

> However, instead of being grateful for getting what you so

vehemently

> pursued and said you wanted (which was to be let back on the list),

just

> like a little spoiled repulsive " Momma's Boy " brat, you " refused "

her

> invitation as if it were perversely wallowing in and gloriously (yet

> despicably) relishing some sort of infantile " revenge " .

>

> I have to hand it to you. All the while you adamantly argued

for your

> limitations and refused to experience yourself as being bigger than

your

> " vendetta " and " grudge holding. " Your modus operandi appears to

be, " I've

> been mistreated therefore I exist. " Paraphrased, it's " I've been

hurt

> therefore fuck you and I'll get you back. Reject me and I'll reject

you. "

>

> So, here's a question for you, " How the hell do you think

you'll ever

> experience enlightenment if you keep on hugging and worshipping

your 'toxic

> righteousness' and 'oh, woe is me' inner chant so strongly? "

>

> You're a trip, Jb. I enjoy seeing your antics as it helps me

become

> more aware of mine. You're a great teacher! I bow to you. I won't

kiss your

> ass, but I will bow.

>

> - Michael

 

 

###

 

.... so Michael,...

did your kick-butt- & sarcastic/toxic-Analysis,

make you feel good ?

 

 

I am not 'after experiencing enlightenment' ..

are you ?!

 

 

Enjoy yourself.

 

 

Apart from this, I would say, considering your writing &

communication Style, you would fit in very well, in Judi's forum ...

but you would not survive long, if you direct your ... towards her.

 

 

My Not 'gratefully' kissing Judi's feet, disciple/guru style, for her

allowing me to come back, has apparently greatly upset you.

Well, it is so, that I am not a dictator's-butt kisser & licker.

Are you Michael ?

 

Jb.

[Guest guest]

<<

JB789 (new7892001)

 

 

..please note the balance of negative (tragically) and positive

(hilarious) neutralizing each other out, leaving a respectable aura

of a non-dual burp ...

Good ?!

 

>>

 

 

 

 

KKT: So non-duality = equality

and equality ---> equanimity

 

 

A good definition :-))

 

 

KKT

[Guest guest]

<<

JB789 (new7892001)

 

 

 

It seems to me, that the way one treats others

one also treats onesself.

 

>>

 

 

 

 

KKT: Nothing more true

than this statement :-))

 

The action/reaction principle :-))

 

 

KKT

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta, " new7892001 " <JB789@h...> wrote:

> Apart from this, I would say, considering your writing &

> communication Style, you would fit in very well, in Judi's forum ...

> but you would not survive long, if you direct your ... towards her.

 

On the contrary, Judi tends toward respect for those who will 'stand

up to her' rather than 'running away crying'. This i have seen

before.

 

> My Not 'gratefully' kissing Judi's feet, disciple/guru style, for

> her allowing me to come back, has apparently greatly upset you.

> Well, it is so, that I am not a dictator's-butt kisser & licker.

> Are you Michael ?

 

The 'dictator' is (in) your mind... and is clearly in control. Judi

is not a police officer, military official or politician and has

no 'external' power... the power is JB's mind, the dictator... don't

look at the butt, look toward the other end :-).

 

Cheers,

 

Tim

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta, " Michael Adamson " <Adamson@s...> wrote:

> Hi Jb,

>

> I want to thank you for such a graphic and splendid clear cut

portrayal

> of egohood.

>

> I've watched you play the " cat and mouse " , " victim-victimizer "

game with

> Judi R for quite some time. First you bitch, whine, whimper, moan,

and

> complain to several lists about how you were " mistreated " , trying

to find

> " sympathy " from others to " validate " your " poor me " mantra. Then,

when

> you've strewn your shit all over the place time and time again,

pretended to

> be " dumb " and " ignorant " about repeated warnings about " 3 strikes " ,

etc,

> Judi finally, with obvious care, affection, and humor to let you

back on the

> list.

>

> However, instead of being grateful for getting what you so

vehemently

> pursued and said you wanted (which was to be let back on the list),

just

> like a little spoiled repulsive " Momma's Boy " brat, you " refused "

her

> invitation as if it were perversely wallowing in and gloriously (yet

> despicably) relishing some sort of infantile " revenge " .

>

> I have to hand it to you. All the while you adamantly argued

for your

> limitations and refused to experience yourself as being bigger than

your

> " vendetta " and " grudge holding. " Your modus operandi appears to

be, " I've

> been mistreated therefore I exist. " Paraphrased, it's " I've been

hurt

> therefore fuck you and I'll get you back. Reject me and I'll reject

you. "

>

> So, here's a question for you, " How the hell do you think

you'll ever

> experience enlightenment if you keep on hugging and worshipping

your 'toxic

> righteousness' and 'oh, woe is me' inner chant so strongly? "

>

> You're a trip, Jb. I enjoy seeing your antics as it helps me

become

> more aware of mine. You're a great teacher! I bow to you. I won't

kiss your

> ass, but I will bow.

>

> - Michael

 

 

.... and Michael, .. a couple of questions :

 

You're saying that the display of my ego, helped you to see yours.

 

- instead of looking at your own stuff VIA another's,

can't you simply look at yourself directly ?

 

- when you do look at your own ego-stuff, (some of which you say, is

similar to mine) do you approach it with the same attitude and

comments, as you approached mine ?

It seems to me, that the way one treats others one also treats

onesself.

If so, you must be at quite a war within yourself...

are you ?

 

Regards,

Jb.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta, " fewtch " <coresite@a...> wrote:

> Nisargadatta, " new7892001 " <JB789@h...> wrote:

> > Apart from this, I would say, considering your writing &

> > communication Style, you would fit in very well, in Judi's

forum ...

> > but you would not survive long, if you direct your ... towards

her.

>

> On the contrary, Judi tends toward respect for those who

will 'stand

> up to her' rather than 'running away crying'.

 

###

Hi Tim,..

Perhaps she did show the kind of 'respect' you mention.. but not in

my case.

I DID stand up to her (without using her swearing jargon).. but she

got furious, labeled me an 'idiot'.. played the baseball-referee and

kicked me out.

As for " running away crying " ,.. it is your interpretation..

Listen Tim, to use Judi's vocabulary.. I do not hang around

with 'jerks' .. they're " a dime a dozen " (this expression I have also

learned from her.. so SOMEthing I DID learn..) and quite unnecessary

for anything.. especially for the-end-of-the-road.

 

 

This i have seen

> before.

>

> > My Not 'gratefully' kissing Judi's feet, disciple/guru style, for

> > her allowing me to come back, has apparently greatly upset you.

> > Well, it is so, that I am not a dictator's-butt kisser & licker.

> > Are you Michael ?

>

> The 'dictator' is (in) your mind... and is clearly in control.

Judi

> is not a police officer, military official or politician and has

> no 'external' power...

 

###

... of course she does not,..

that's why I could manage to stay,

and that's why she kicked me out.

 

the power is JB's mind, the dictator... don't

> look at the butt, look toward the other end :-).

 

###

well, replace 'dictator' with the word 'jerk' (Judi-approved) then..

... jerk are such a Noisy nuisance unworthy to use too much time on ..

just ask Judi, she will totally agree with me on this point...

:-)

 

But all this, is such a pathetic little word game .. as Michael's

analysis of me has also been. He (like Judi) _Thinks_ he 'Knows' ..

at least that's what his 'spiritual' paradigms perhaps make him

feel ...that he has great penetrating insight..(yes, to guard myself

in advance .. yes I analyze too, you analyze, he and she analyzes

too..)

...

but anyone who has read 1-2 books on pop-psychology or 'ego' can

analyze even a Buddha (if he was met in the streets or the net,

whithout knowing his credentials) into conceptual dust and dirt..

We're all so dam' cleverly-wise, are'nt we ?!

 

I have just seen a quotation of Nisargadatta, saying that when you

come to feel that you have no need for knowledge whatsoever, then ...

 

And to give you (and especially Judi and Michael) a good reason to

laugh heartly.. perhaps even sarcastically, I'd say that lately I see

quite clearly the utter foolishness to be involved in knowledge

(especially the 'spiritual' one) or take terribly seriously the Words

of another ...

And if you/he/she erupts into a 'Bwahahaha'-Judi-style, it's fine

with me,... it is just

another word..

at most, a burden for the carrier himself.

 

All this word exchange.. is so silly, is'nt it ...

and to take any of it seriously, is just tragically hilarious.

...please note the balance of negative (tragically) and positive

(hilarious) neutralizing each other out, leaving a respectable aura

of a non-dual burp ...

Good ?!

 

 

Regards,

Jb

 

 

>

> Cheers,

>

> Tim

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta, phamdluan@a... wrote:

 

> KKT: Nothing more true

> than this statement :-))

 

The following statement is false: The preceding statement is true. :-)

 

Cheers,

 

Tim

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta, " fewtch " <coresite@a...> wrote:

> Nisargadatta, phamdluan@a... wrote:

>

> > KKT: Nothing more true

> > than this statement :-))

>

> The following statement is false: The preceding statement is

true. :-)

>

> Cheers,

>

> Tim

 

 

Thanks for the mind-blowing koan, Tim.

 

At first it looks like, a catch-22 or chess mate situation or an

impossibility/no sense/contradictory.

But if one listens to both of statements (to their dialog), what do

you _finally_ get ?

 

 

 

As a hint,: they both say '....'

and '.......' eachother.

 

(the amount of periods within the quotes, correspont to the number of

the letters in the words).

 

Yes,.. there is 'nothing like' a good exercize for the gray matter

muscles...

 

So, now let's see, who is the most illuminated here

 

Regards,

jb