Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Dear friends, The words of Janis Joplin jumped up out of my memory while we were making this third Amigo: 'Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose' A real 'jnani' edition with: free, freedom, free will, being the subjects in review. A scoop this time: an interview with Alexander Smit from 1988 in which he tells us about his Realization after meeting Nisargadatta Further: Wolter Keers, Jan van Delden, Tony Parsons, Hans Laurentius, Douglas Harding, Ramesh Balsekar, a.o. Maybe Amigo will shed some light on the subject Free Will for you you can find it here: http://www.ods.nl/am1gos all the best the Amigo editors ~~~~~~~~~ the meaning of life, is becoming who you are [Gerard Reve] ~~~~~~~~~~~~ if you want to receive an email when the next issue appears, by sending a blank email to: am1gos- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Dear Kees Schreuders, A teacher in his own right I knew that Alexander Smith was a well known student of Maharaj in Holland and I was curious about his story of meeting Maharaj. Thank you for bringing to our attention the interview with Alexander Smit in which he talks about his meeting with Nisargadatta. This was one of the most lively accounts I've ever read. Following is a short excerpt: " I told him (Nisargadatta) that Maurice Frydman was the decisive reason for my coming. Frydman was a friend of Krishnamurti and Frydman was planning to publish all of the earlier work of Krishnamurti at Chetana Publishers in Bombay, And that he had heard from Mr. Dikshit , the publisher, that there was someone in Bombay who he had to meet. (I AM THAT was of course not yet published at that time because Frydman had yet to meet Nisargadatta). Frydman went there with his usual skeptical ideas. He came in there, and within two weeks things became clear to him that had never become clear with Krishnamurti. And I thought then: if it all became clear to Frydman within two weeks, how will it go with me? I told all this to Nisargadatta and he said: 'That says nothing about me, but everything about Frydman.' And he also said: 'People who don't understand Krishnamurti don't understand themselves.' I thought that was beautiful, because all the gurus I knew always ran everyone down. " http://www.ods.nl/am1gos/am1gos2/as_inter_us.html http://www.ods.nl/am1gos/am1gos2/indexframe2_us.html Hur Nisargadatta, Kees Schreuders <case@o...> wrote: > Dear friends, > > The words of Janis Joplin jumped up out of my memory > while we were making this third Amigo: > 'Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose' > > A real 'jnani' edition with: > free, freedom, free will, being the subjects in review. > > A scoop this time: > an interview with Alexander Smit from 1988 > in which he tells us about his Realization > after meeting Nisargadatta > > Further: Wolter Keers, Jan van Delden, Tony Parsons, Hans Laurentius, > Douglas Harding, Ramesh Balsekar, a.o. > > Maybe Amigo will shed some light > on the subject Free Will for you > you can find it here: http://www.ods.nl/am1gos > > all the best > the Amigo editors > > ~~~~~~~~~ > the meaning of life, is becoming who you are > [Gerard Reve] > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > if you want to receive an email when the next issue appears, > by sending a blank email to: am1gos- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 The following passage is what struck me in the post, especially with connection to people here who keep telling their own story without having any direct contact with any teacher. This is not a criticism, but a suggestion for reflection. Good wishes, Sundeep --------------------------- Extract from the previous post ================================= I have understood that you find the Living Teaching very important. Is that especially true for Advaita? The objection to books about Advaita, including the translations of Nisargadatta's words is that too much knowledge is given in them. That is an objection. People can use this knowledge, and especially the knowledge at the highest level to defend and maintain their self- consciousness. That makes my work more difficult. Knowledge, spiritual knowledge, can, when there is no living master be used again to maintain the 'I', the self-consciousness. The mind is tricky, cunning. And I speak out of my own experience! Because Advaita Vedanta, without a good living spiritual master, I repeat, a good one, can become a perfect self contained defense mechanism. It can be a plastic sack that leaks on all sides, but you can't find the leak. You know that it doesn't tally, but it looks as if it does tally. That is the danger in Vedanta. Provided there is a good living master available, it can do no harm. But stay away from it if there is no master available! Provided it is well guided Advaita can be brilliant. Nisargadatta, " hurg " <hurg> wrote: > Dear Kees Schreuders, > > A teacher in his own right I knew that Alexander Smith was a well > known student of Maharaj in Holland and I was curious about his story > of meeting Maharaj. > > Thank you for bringing to our attention the interview with Alexander > Smit in which he talks about his meeting with Nisargadatta. This was > one of the most lively accounts I've ever read. > > Following is a short excerpt: > > " I told him (Nisargadatta) that Maurice Frydman was the decisive > reason for my coming. Frydman was a friend of Krishnamurti and > Frydman was planning to publish all of the earlier work of > Krishnamurti at Chetana Publishers in Bombay, And that he had heard > from Mr. Dikshit , the publisher, that there was someone in Bombay > who he had to meet. (I AM THAT was of course not yet published at > that time because Frydman had yet to meet Nisargadatta). Frydman went > there with his usual skeptical ideas. He came in there, and within > two weeks things became clear to him that had never become clear with > Krishnamurti. And I thought then: if it all became clear to Frydman > within two weeks, how will it go with me? > I told all this to Nisargadatta and he said: 'That says nothing about > me, but everything about Frydman.' And he also said: 'People who > don't understand Krishnamurti don't understand themselves.' I thought > that was beautiful, because all the gurus I knew always ran everyone > down. " > > http://www.ods.nl/am1gos/am1gos2/as_inter_us.html > > http://www.ods.nl/am1gos/am1gos2/indexframe2_us.html > > Hur > > > > > Nisargadatta, Kees Schreuders <case@o...> wrote: > > Dear friends, > > > > The words of Janis Joplin jumped up out of my memory > > while we were making this third Amigo: > > 'Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose' > > > > A real 'jnani' edition with: > > free, freedom, free will, being the subjects in review. > > > > A scoop this time: > > an interview with Alexander Smit from 1988 > > in which he tells us about his Realization > > after meeting Nisargadatta > > > > Further: Wolter Keers, Jan van Delden, Tony Parsons, Hans > Laurentius, > > Douglas Harding, Ramesh Balsekar, a.o. > > > > Maybe Amigo will shed some light > > on the subject Free Will for you > > you can find it here: http://www.ods.nl/am1gos > > > > all the best > > the Amigo editors > > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > the meaning of life, is becoming who you are > > [Gerard Reve] > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > if you want to receive an email when the next issue appears, > > by sending a blank email to: am1gos- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 AMIGO Magazine Belle Bruins (interviews & editor) Raf Pype (editor) Kees Schreuders (editor, design & layout) Sam Pasiencier (translator) Foekje Detmar (illustration with and transcription of text Wolter Keers) These people are doing a truly wonderful job. And it is all free of charge! Those who have not yet read their magazines should visit their site. Highly recommended! Jan http://www.ods.nl/am1gos http://www.ods.nl/am1gos/index.html --------------------- At 3/20/2002-11:32 PM Nisargadatta wrote: > " hurg " <hurg >Re: [Amigo3] the 'Free Will' edition > >Dear Kees Schreuders, > >A teacher in his own right I knew that Alexander Smith was a well >known student of Maharaj in Holland and I was curious about his story >of meeting Maharaj. > >Thank you for bringing to our attention the interview with Alexander >Smit in which he talks about his meeting with Nisargadatta. This was >one of the most lively accounts I've ever read. > >Following is a short excerpt: > > " I told him (Nisargadatta) that Maurice Frydman was the decisive >reason for my coming. Frydman was a friend of Krishnamurti and >Frydman was planning to publish all of the earlier work of >Krishnamurti at Chetana Publishers in Bombay, And that he had heard >from Mr. Dikshit , the publisher, that there was someone in Bombay >who he had to meet. (I AM THAT was of course not yet published at >that time because Frydman had yet to meet Nisargadatta). Frydman went >there with his usual skeptical ideas. He came in there, and within >two weeks things became clear to him that had never become clear with >Krishnamurti. And I thought then: if it all became clear to Frydman >within two weeks, how will it go with me? >I told all this to Nisargadatta and he said: 'That says nothing about >me, but everything about Frydman.' And he also said: 'People who >don't understand Krishnamurti don't understand themselves.' I thought >that was beautiful, because all the gurus I knew always ran everyone >down. " > >http://www.ods.nl/am1gos/am1gos2/as_inter_us.html > >http://www.ods.nl/am1gos/am1gos2/indexframe2_us.html > >Hur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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