Dissolving me right into THE SELF - fun with words & comments made thereafter.

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> This is a cliche,

> but it is so,

> it is either easy or impossible.

 

This is not exactly a joiner / answer to your comment...

 

Have you ever noticed a clear perception at a certain moment & then a

blurry vision at some other?

 

Have you ever had a good meditation sitting when you felt one with

the world at some times & then at others when you couldnt even hold

on to the thread of mindfulness / attention?

 

Have you found yourself at silent & at peace at times & filled with

anger, irritation, etc at another?

 

What I am saying is that its not always this or that.

 

State of enlightenment may / may not be permanent (I dont know).. but

I know for sure that for a seeker, states of BEING, understanding,

etc. vary from moment to moment.

 

Someday we are nearer to an understanding ourselves & sometimes very

cut off.

 

Understanding always comes in the present, but yet, the process is

gradual. What was impossible at a point of time is possible at

another & sometimes, vice versa.

 

 

And now, just some fun with what you said ->

 

 

You say - it is either easy or impossible.

 

I could say... It is neither easy nor impossible.

 

However, I do agree with your statement (it is either easy or

impossible).

 

Is that a contradiction?

 

If it's not one, what is?

 

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Well, so much for fun with words.. whatever that was worth.

 

On a more serious note, playing with words is OK... but can words

alone enable us understand people like Nisargadatta?

 

Ranjit Maharaj used to say ... " HE is there from where words come back "

 

A friend lovingly explained me this just coupale of days back ... I

put his words down exactly without editing (we dont bother about

grammer, correct English while communicating). M here stands for

Maharaj.

 

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The taste for the things that are true are always beyond words, can

feel it in yourself, too much in love with words, world is full of

words, then, we are in love with it, with illusion, M says " Don't

love the body, love Reality " , body/mind, full of words, follow?

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I post his words with uncertainty as I deeply value his advice and if

these words are not reflected upon to understand but become a subject

of discussion for the sake of discussion, then it is unfortunate.

 

This is often the case with words of people like Nisargadatta.

 

They are like gems..

 

We can try to understand the spirit of the words & allow them to lead

us to what is possible using words....

 

can we " keep inside what we have received, value it and act

accordingly "

 

OR..

 

We can just use them to make our point, discuss & sound fancy.

 

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I think its always a good idea to ask oneself what one is doing here

& reflect upon what would be useful to us & to other members in this

forum before posting here.

 

Regards,

Sundeep

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Sundeep

That was good - taste of things is beyond words. Just the other day,I

was trying to describe a Mehdi Hassan ghazal " kaise Chupaunu raz-e

gham in words - you convinced me to give up.

 

Just curious - i see a little different version of dabadoo Sandeep

here!

 

Ghazal

- In Nisargadatta, " i_wish_2b " <i_wish_2b> wrote:

> > This is a cliche,

> > but it is so,

> > it is either easy or impossible.

>

> This is not exactly a joiner / answer to your comment...

>

> Have you ever noticed a clear perception at a certain moment & then

a

> blurry vision at some other?

>

> Have you ever had a good meditation sitting when you felt one with

> the world at some times & then at others when you couldnt even hold

> on to the thread of mindfulness / attention?

>

> Have you found yourself at silent & at peace at times & filled with

> anger, irritation, etc at another?

>

> What I am saying is that its not always this or that.

>

> State of enlightenment may / may not be permanent (I dont know)..

but

> I know for sure that for a seeker, states of BEING, understanding,

> etc. vary from moment to moment.

>

> Someday we are nearer to an understanding ourselves & sometimes

very

> cut off.

>

> Understanding always comes in the present, but yet, the process is

> gradual. What was impossible at a point of time is possible at

> another & sometimes, vice versa.

>

>

> And now, just some fun with what you said ->

>

>

> You say - it is either easy or impossible.

>

> I could say... It is neither easy nor impossible.

>

> However, I do agree with your statement (it is either easy or

> impossible).

>

> Is that a contradiction?

>

> If it's not one, what is?

>

> -----------------

>

> Well, so much for fun with words.. whatever that was worth.

>

> On a more serious note, playing with words is OK... but can words

> alone enable us understand people like Nisargadatta?

>

> Ranjit Maharaj used to say ... " HE is there from where words come

back "

>

> A friend lovingly explained me this just coupale of days back ... I

> put his words down exactly without editing (we dont bother about

> grammer, correct English while communicating). M here stands for

> Maharaj.

>

> -------------

> The taste for the things that are true are always beyond words, can

> feel it in yourself, too much in love with words, world is full of

> words, then, we are in love with it, with illusion, M says " Don't

> love the body, love Reality " , body/mind, full of words, follow?

> -------------

>

> I post his words with uncertainty as I deeply value his advice and

if

> these words are not reflected upon to understand but become a

subject

> of discussion for the sake of discussion, then it is unfortunate.

>

> This is often the case with words of people like Nisargadatta.

>

> They are like gems..

>

> We can try to understand the spirit of the words & allow them to

lead

> us to what is possible using words....

>

> can we " keep inside what we have received, value it and act

> accordingly "

>

> OR..

>

> We can just use them to make our point, discuss & sound fancy.

>

> --------------------------

>

>

> I think its always a good idea to ask oneself what one is doing

here

> & reflect upon what would be useful to us & to other members in

this

> forum before posting here.

>

> Regards,

> Sundeep