Guest guest Posted April 17, 2002 Report Share Posted April 17, 2002 In Maharaj's talks, where in some cases he gives folks mantras, and the like, and even the singing etc., he says in effect, people come to him so badly damaged, that first the so-called mind has to settle down, ........you can hardly tell someone to investigate Who/what am I etc., (self inquiry) in the midst of a buzzing hornets nest! .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2002 Report Share Posted April 18, 2002 Nisargadatta, " elizabeth_wells2001 " <elizabeth_wells2001> wrote: > > In Maharaj's talks, > where in some cases he gives folks mantras, > and the like, and even the singing etc., > > he says in effect, > people come to him so badly damaged, > that first the so-called mind has to settle down, > > .......you can hardly tell someone to investigate > Who/what am I etc., (self inquiry) > in the midst of a buzzing hornets nest! > > . Yes, Elizabeth. Poongaji, also advised some of his students who at times found it utterly impossible to still the, " chatter in the skull " , to just keep repeating, I am bliss....or, I am consciousness, over and over again, but with ATTENTION! Best, John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2002 Report Share Posted April 18, 2002 Nisargadatta, " logos292 " <logos292@h...> wrote: > Nisargadatta, " elizabeth_wells2001 " > <elizabeth_wells2001> wrote: > > > > In Maharaj's talks, > > where in some cases he gives folks mantras, > > and the like, and even the singing etc., > > > > he says in effect, > > people come to him so badly damaged, > > that first the so-called mind has to settle down, > > > > .......you can hardly tell someone to investigate > > Who/what am I etc., (self inquiry) > > in the midst of a buzzing hornets nest! > > > > . > > > Yes, Elizabeth. Poongaji, also advised some of his students who at > times found it utterly impossible to still the, " chatter in the > skull " , to just keep repeating, I am bliss....or, I am consciousness, > over and over again, but with ATTENTION! > > Best, > John -------------------------- Yes, John. Poonja is well aware that each " cure " is a " new trap " . El .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2002 Report Share Posted April 18, 2002 Nisargadatta, " elizabeth_wells2001 " <elizabeth_wells2001> wrote: > Nisargadatta, " logos292 " <logos292@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta, " elizabeth_wells2001 " > > <elizabeth_wells2001> wrote: > > > > > > In Maharaj's talks, > > > where in some cases he gives folks mantras, > > > and the like, and even the singing etc., > > > > > > he says in effect, > > > people come to him so badly damaged, > > > that first the so-called mind has to settle down, > > > > > > .......you can hardly tell someone to investigate > > > Who/what am I etc., (self inquiry) > > > in the midst of a buzzing hornets nest! > > > > > > . > > > > > > Yes, Elizabeth. Poongaji, also advised some of his students > who at > > times found it utterly impossible to still the, " chatter in the > > skull " , to just keep repeating, I am bliss....or, I am > consciousness, > > over and over again, but with ATTENTION! > > > > Best, > > John > > -------------------------- > > Yes, John. > > Poonja is well aware that each > " cure " is a " new trap " . > > El > > > . --- True, Elizabeth. And the only way " out " is " in " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2002 Report Share Posted April 18, 2002 Nisargadatta, " logos292 " <logos292@h...> wrote: > Nisargadatta, " elizabeth_wells2001 " > <elizabeth_wells2001> wrote: > > Nisargadatta, " logos292 " <logos292@h...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta, " elizabeth_wells2001 " > > > <elizabeth_wells2001> wrote: > > > > > > > > In Maharaj's talks, > > > > where in some cases he gives folks mantras, > > > > and the like, and even the singing etc., > > > > > > > > he says in effect, > > > > people come to him so badly damaged, > > > > that first the so-called mind has to settle down, > > > > > > > > .......you can hardly tell someone to investigate > > > > Who/what am I etc., (self inquiry) > > > > in the midst of a buzzing hornets nest! > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > Yes, Elizabeth. Poongaji, also advised some of his students > > who at > > > times found it utterly impossible to still the, " chatter in the > > > skull " , to just keep repeating, I am bliss....or, I am > > consciousness, > > > over and over again, but with ATTENTION! > > > > > > Best, > > > John > > > > -------------------------- > > > > Yes, John. > > > > Poonja is well aware that each > > " cure " is a " new trap " . > > > > El > > > > > > . > > --- > > True, Elizabeth. And the only way " out " is " in " . -------------------------------- re: the only way out is in. John, So it is said. But the fact of the matter is, there is " no way " out. Even self-enquiry, who/what am I etc., which on face value would seem to be a way out, by going within, isn't. It can be, and often is, practiced until the cows come home, and is just one more trap. However, when this question, (in a variety of forms), arises unasked for, spontaneously........... ................................ El .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2002 Report Share Posted April 19, 2002 Nisargadatta, " elizabeth_wells2001 " <elizabeth_wells2001> wrote: > Nisargadatta, " logos292 " <logos292@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta, " elizabeth_wells2001 " > > <elizabeth_wells2001> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta, " logos292 " <logos292@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta, " elizabeth_wells2001 " > > > > <elizabeth_wells2001> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In Maharaj's talks, > > > > > where in some cases he gives folks mantras, > > > > > and the like, and even the singing etc., > > > > > > > > > > he says in effect, > > > > > people come to him so badly damaged, > > > > > that first the so-called mind has to settle down, > > > > > > > > > > .......you can hardly tell someone to investigate > > > > > Who/what am I etc., (self inquiry) > > > > > in the midst of a buzzing hornets nest! > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Elizabeth. Poongaji, also advised some of his > students > > > who at > > > > times found it utterly impossible to still the, " chatter in the > > > > skull " , to just keep repeating, I am bliss....or, I am > > > consciousness, > > > > over and over again, but with ATTENTION! > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > John > > > > > > -------------------------- > > > > > > Yes, John. > > > > > > Poonja is well aware that each > > > " cure " is a " new trap " . > > > > > > El > > > > > > > > > . > > > > --- > > > > True, Elizabeth. And the only way " out " is " in " . > > -------------------------------- > > re: the only way out is in. > > > John, > > So it is said. > > But the fact of the matter is, > there is " no way " out. > > Even self-enquiry, > who/what am I etc., > which on face value > would seem to be a way out, > by going within, > isn't. > > It can be, and often is, > practiced until the cows come home, > and is just one more trap. > > However, > when this question, > (in a variety of forms), > arises unasked for, spontaneously........... > ............................... > > > > El > > > . ------- It is really only a common sence issue, Elizabeth.....We can say, " way, or, " no way " ...until we are blue in the face. This is really only impressive word juggling, and mental acrobatics. The fact remains that the attention is either, " IN " (NO-TIME), or it is " OUT " (IN-TIME). The self can be only be REALIZED... " IN " (NO-TIME). Om shanti... John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2002 Report Share Posted April 19, 2002 > It is really only a common sence issue, Elizabeth.....We can > say, " way, or, " no way " ...until we are blue in the face. This is > really only impressive word juggling, and mental acrobatics. The > fact remains that the attention is either, " IN " (NO-TIME), or it > is " OUT " (IN-TIME). The self can be only be REALIZED... " IN " (NO- TIME). > > Om shanti... > John What seems like word juggling to one, may immediatiely make sense to another, with no acrobatics involved. So it goes ... And what you say makes sense to me as well. So yes, one way to view it is that you either are timeless reality, or you are attempting to have an existence in time. Another way to view it is that there is no dichotomy, hence no choice. Events in time, aren't in time. There is no time for them to be in. There isn't a being involved in time, never was or could be. So, no shift of attention -- only this, as it always has been, before beginning, prior to time. A being doesn't know this. Only knowing is. Namaste, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 Hi all, Ijust joined in today, was skimming through the prev mails. Dan, I love your beautiful bullshit! :-) May all of us (are we separate?) realize what we/I always are/were/will(is there time?) be , Anand Eswaran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 Nisargadatta, " anandesw " <anandesw> wrote: > Hi all, > > Ijust joined in today, was skimming through the prev mails. > > Dan, I love your beautiful bullshit! :-) > > > May all of us (are we separate?) realize what we/I always are/were/will(is there time?) be , > > Anand Eswaran. Beautiful bullshit, it is Anand....this is why we need living masters. The egoic mind of man just continues to put words into the mouth of past masters. This is how religions are formed, as well as how " holy wars " are started. Namaste, john Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 Hi Anand -- > Ijust joined in today, was skimming through the prev mails. > > Dan, I love your beautiful bullshit! :-) Yes, it makes lovely swirls as it flushes itself away! > May all of us (are we separate?) realize what we/I always are/were/will(is there time?) be , No time, hence no space. Being and nonbeing irrelevant here. Words are offered, but open themselves like drunken multicolored dragons that lose their ability to make sense ... Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 > Beautiful bullshit, it is Anand....this is why we need living > masters. The egoic mind of man just continues to put words into the > mouth of past masters. This is how religions are formed, as well as > how " holy wars " are started. > > Namaste, john Hi John -- Yes. And may I take the " s " off of the living master? And, take the " master " off of the living? So what is left is livingness undivided, neither Moslem nor Jew nor Christian... The war that ends all wars: In which division defeats itself, and only " what is " can remain ... Namaste, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 Was wondering the same thing.. there must come a time when one stops repeating texts , programmes, parents attitudes, and other socio cultural conditioning and the I am speaks > Beautiful bullshit, it is Anand....this is why we need living > masters. The egoic mind of man just continues to put words into the > mouth of past masters. This is how religions are formed, as well as > how "holy wars" are started.> > Namaste, johnHi John --Yes.And may I take the "s" off of the living master?And, take the "master" off of the living?So what is left is livingness undivided, neither Moslem nor Jew nor Christian...The war that ends all wars:In which division defeats itself, and only "what is" can remain ...Namaste,Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 and of course divine madness does sound better than divine nutcase, bearing in mind that the mind is filled with a lot of ludicrous nonsense.. divine nutcase is probably more appropriate Was wondering the same thing.. there must come a time when one stops repeating texts , programmes, parents attitudes, and other socio cultural conditioning and the I am speaks > Beautiful bullshit, it is Anand....this is why we need living > masters. The egoic mind of man just continues to put words into the > mouth of past masters. This is how religions are formed, as well as > how "holy wars" are started.> > Namaste, johnHi John --Yes.And may I take the "s" off of the living master?And, take the "master" off of the living?So what is left is livingness undivided, neither Moslem nor Jew nor Christian...The war that ends all wars:In which division defeats itself, and only "what is" can remain ...Namaste,Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > Beautiful bullshit, it is Anand....this is why we need living > > masters. The egoic mind of man just continues to put words into > the > > mouth of past masters. This is how religions are formed, as well > as > > how " holy wars " are started. > > > > Namaste, john > > > Hi John -- > > Yes. > > And may I take the " s " off of the living master? > > And, take the " master " off of the living? > > So what is left is > livingness undivided, neither Moslem nor Jew > nor Christian... > > The war that ends all wars: > > In which division defeats itself, and > only " what is " can remain ... > > Namaste, > Dan Words are offered, but open themselves like drunken multicolored dragons that lose their ability to make sense ... Dan Thank you for both of these...lovely swirl of the veil. diana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 Or when does it stop becoming mechanical..an automatic learned response from who knows where.. to Being in the present Nisargadatta, "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote:> > > Beautiful bullshit, it is Anand....this is why we need living > > masters. The egoic mind of man just continues to put words into > the > > mouth of past masters. This is how religions are formed, as well > as > > how "holy wars" are started.> > > > Namaste, john> > > Hi John --> > Yes.> > And may I take the "s" off of the living master?> > And, take the "master" off of the living?> > So what is left is> livingness undivided, neither Moslem nor Jew> nor Christian...> > The war that ends all wars:> > In which division defeats itself, and> only "what is" can remain ...> > Namaste,> DanWords are offered, but open themselves like drunken multicolored dragons that lose their ability to make sense ...DanThank you for both of these...lovely swirl of the veil.diana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 Hi skydancer, " Who " is it that wonders? The " I am " murmers and coaxes (the inner guru) , it is our minds that are deaf! Social conditioning etc pertain to the mind.Humour it , eventually grace/faith will(or is it may) guide, not the mind. Your head is already in the tiger's clasp.There is no choice! May the Eternal that is you be revealed, Anand. --- skydancer <skydancer wrote: > Was wondering the same thing.. there must come a > time when one stops repeating texts , programmes, > parents attitudes, > > and other socio cultural conditioning > and the I am speaks > > > > Beautiful bullshit, it is Anand....this is why > we need living > > masters. The egoic mind of man just continues > to put words into > the > > mouth of past masters. This is how religions > are formed, as well > as > > how " holy wars " are started. > > > > Namaste, john > > > Hi John -- > > Yes. > > And may I take the " s " off of the living master? > > And, take the " master " off of the living? > > So what is left is > livingness undivided, neither Moslem nor Jew > nor Christian... > > The war that ends all wars: > > In which division defeats itself, and > only " what is " can remain ... > > Namaste, > Dan > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 Nisargadatta, " skydancer " <skydancer@n...> wrote: > Was wondering the same thing.. there must come a time when one stops repeating texts , programmes, parents attitudes, > > and other socio cultural conditioning > and the I am speaks > -------------------------- This is truly the case skydancer....The true guru(teacher), does not belong to any " ism " . The true guru is the embodiment of your own higher self(true self). The, I am, using the body as an instrument, to speak to " you " . So that " you " also can REALIZE that. Best wishes, john > > > Beautiful bullshit, it is Anand....this is why we need living > > masters. The egoic mind of man just continues to put words into > the > > mouth of past masters. This is how religions are formed, as well > as > > how " holy wars " are started. > > > > Namaste, john > > > Hi John -- > > Yes. > > And may I take the " s " off of the living master? > > And, take the " master " off of the living? > > So what is left is > livingness undivided, neither Moslem nor Jew > nor Christian... > > The war that ends all wars: > > In which division defeats itself, and > only " what is " can remain ... > > Namaste, > Dan > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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