To Hur

[Guest guest]

Dear Hurg,

 

What you call " esoteric advaitism " is the truth .

As to " how things functin in the world " is

conceptual and hence bullshit.(Everyone one this group

from Dan to Colin have their takes on life.)

 

The purpose of conceptualization must be to simplify:

like the funeral pyre that is used to burn the corpse

but finally itself burns, the mind should be used to

annhilate other concepts, finally burning out in the

Divinefires of realization ( if Divine Will)

 

You are not what you stand so firmly for.You will have

to take that on faith ( if grace of the guru wills so)

 

So why this vehemence and outrage?

 

Namaste,

Anand.

 

PS : This again is a concept :-). all we ever " do "

could but be concepts.So take life like the elf,

drunken, mad and spontaneous!Love ya, elf!

 

====================================================

El,

 

I am not talking about things as they " should be " but

as " they are. "

This is not an esoteric advaita debate but how things

function in the

social world. It makes no difference whether I

believe in the

appearance of the lover (the seeker, worshipper, me)

or the Beloved

(God, guru, priests, representatives of God). I am

simply pointing

to the fact that when the divine beloved appears as a

guru/priest to

the seeker and if the guru manipulates his adult

followers into

having sex, this is called abuse of power. The seeker

submits out of

spiritual love, not expecting to be made love on the

physical level!

 

Up to this point I can see the relative morality of

the issue but

there cannot even be debate on the child molestation

cases for the

simple fact that children cannot give consent. I was

outraged today

when I read that Cardinal Law in Boston shifted the

responsibility to

the victims. Basically he said that negligence by the

alleged

victims contributed to the case. The cardinal's claim

is a

boilerplate moral defense but arguments like this in

sensitive child

molestation cases shows poor judgment.

 

Hur

 

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Hi Anand --

 

> Dear Hurg,

>

> What you call " esoteric advaitism " is the truth .

> As to " how things functin in the world " is

> conceptual and hence bullshit.(Everyone one this group

> from Dan to Colin have their takes on life.)

 

You make a valid point, but one thing:

 

Concept is not bullshit per se.

 

Concept is concept.

 

Some concepts are bullshit.

 

Some concepts are useful.

 

The difference between 'bullshit' and 'worthwhile' is,

of course, conceptual, which means, dependent

on interpretations of observed effects :-)

 

If a hole is to be dug, the concept " I'll get

a shovel " is more useful at that moment

than the concept " there is no doer, "

or " the ground as it is, is perfect. "

 

Context is everything, regarding concepts.

 

A starving child would rather have a samich

that is edible brought by someone

who thinks " I'll get that kid a samich, "

than either being presented with a picture of

a samich or a concept about nonduality.

 

This pertains also to an abused child, who

would live more healthily if the abuse is

stopped, than if advaita concepts are offered

to indicate that everything is a way to learn

who you are (or whatever) ...

 

Also pertains to a nonabused adult, who will more likely enjoy

breathing if the air is clean, than if it is polluted

and toxic, regardless of nondual ideas that

dirty and clean are relative and interdependent concepts :-)

 

Namaste,

Dan (who enjoys walking on unpolluted beaches)

 

>

> The purpose of conceptualization must be to simplify:

> like the funeral pyre that is used to burn the corpse

> but finally itself burns, the mind should be used to

> annhilate other concepts, finally burning out in the

> Divinefires of realization ( if Divine Will)

>

> You are not what you stand so firmly for.You will have

> to take that on faith ( if grace of the guru wills so)

>

> So why this vehemence and outrage?

>

> Namaste,

> Anand.

>

> PS : This again is a concept :-). all we ever " do "

> could but be concepts.So take life like the elf,

> drunken, mad and spontaneous!Love ya, elf!

>

> ====================================================

> El,

>

> I am not talking about things as they " should be " but

> as " they are. "

> This is not an esoteric advaita debate but how things

> function in the

> social world. It makes no difference whether I

> believe in the

> appearance of the lover (the seeker, worshipper, me)

> or the Beloved

> (God, guru, priests, representatives of God). I am

> simply pointing

> to the fact that when the divine beloved appears as a

> guru/priest to

> the seeker and if the guru manipulates his adult

> followers into

> having sex, this is called abuse of power. The seeker

> submits out of

> spiritual love, not expecting to be made love on the

> physical level!

>

> Up to this point I can see the relative morality of

> the issue but

> there cannot even be debate on the child molestation

> cases for the

> simple fact that children cannot give consent. I was

> outraged today

> when I read that Cardinal Law in Boston shifted the

> responsibility to

> the victims. Basically he said that negligence by the

> alleged

> victims contributed to the case. The cardinal's claim

> is a

> boilerplate moral defense but arguments like this in

> sensitive child

> molestation cases shows poor judgment.

>

> Hur

>

>

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