Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 Hur, As long as you are turned outward, you will see injustice. When you have had your fill, you will spontaneously turn inward. And in due course you will discover there is no such thing. It all happense by itself. El ---- Nisargadatta, " hurg " <hurg> wrote: > El, > > I am not talking about things as they " should be " but as " they are. " > This is not an esoteric advaita debate but how things function in the > social world. It makes no difference whether I believe in the > appearance of the lover (the seeker, worshipper, me) or the Beloved > (God, guru, priests, representatives of God). I am simply pointing > to the fact that when the divine beloved appears as a guru/priest to > the seeker and if the guru manipulates his adult followers into > having sex, this is called abuse of power. The seeker submits out of > spiritual love, not expecting to be made love on the physical level! > > Up to this point I can see the relative morality of the issue but > there cannot even be debate on the child molestation cases for the > simple fact that children cannot give consent. I was outraged today > when I read that Cardinal Law in Boston shifted the responsibility to > the victims. Basically he said that negligence by the alleged > victims contributed to the case. The cardinal's claim is a > boilerplate moral defense but arguments like this in sensitive child > molestation cases shows poor judgment. > > Hur > > Nisargadatta, " elizabeth_wells2001 " > <elizabeth_wells2001> wrote: > > > > Hur, > > > > if you are into this " lover and beloved " > > and are an adult and really can't > > smell shit from shinola, > > > > do yourself a favor and avoid live gurus > > and buy a book. > > > > El Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 Dear El -- It all happens by itself. This includes Hur's response. There is no inner or outer " itself, " only " itself. " -- Dan > > Hur, > > As long as you are turned outward, > you will see injustice. > > When you have had your fill, > you will spontaneously turn inward. > > And in due course you will > discover there is no such thing. > > It all happense by itself. > > El > > ---- > > Nisargadatta, " hurg " <hurg> wrote: > > El, > > > > I am not talking about things as they " should be " but as " they > are. " > > This is not an esoteric advaita debate but how things function > in the > > social world. It makes no difference whether I believe in the > > appearance of the lover (the seeker, worshipper, me) or the > Beloved > > (God, guru, priests, representatives of God). I am simply > pointing > > to the fact that when the divine beloved appears as a > guru/priest to > > the seeker and if the guru manipulates his adult followers into > > having sex, this is called abuse of power. The seeker submits > out of > > spiritual love, not expecting to be made love on the physical > level! > > > > Up to this point I can see the relative morality of the issue but > > there cannot even be debate on the child molestation cases for > the > > simple fact that children cannot give consent. I was outraged > today > > when I read that Cardinal Law in Boston shifted the > responsibility to > > the victims. Basically he said that negligence by the alleged > > victims contributed to the case. The cardinal's claim is a > > boilerplate moral defense but arguments like this in sensitive > child > > molestation cases shows poor judgment. > > > > Hur > > > > Nisargadatta, " elizabeth_wells2001 " > > <elizabeth_wells2001> wrote: > > > > > > Hur, > > > > > > if you are into this " lover and beloved " > > > and are an adult and really can't > > > smell shit from shinola, > > > > > > do yourself a favor and avoid live gurus > > > and buy a book. > > > > > > El Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Dear El -- > > It all happens by itself. > > This includes Hur's response. > > There is no inner or outer " itself, " > only " itself. " > > -- Dan > ------------------------- Yes. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 Hi Dan: Words come out of your head onto the screen like poetry. If there was an I, and if there was a you, I would say: I love you, but since there isn't an I nor a you, I will just say, Love, Michael :-) At 05:10 PM 4/29/2002, you wrote: Dear El -- It all happens by itself. This includes Hur's response. There is no inner or outer " itself, " only " itself. " -- Dan > > Hur, > > As long as you are turned outward, > you will see injustice. > > When you have had your fill, > you will spontaneously turn inward. > > And in due course you will > discover there is no such thing. > > It all happense by itself. > > El > > ---- > > Nisargadatta, " hurg " <hurg> wrote: > > El, > > > > I am not talking about things as they " should be " but as " they > are. " > > This is not an esoteric advaita debate but how things function > in the > > social world. It makes no difference whether I believe in the > > appearance of the lover (the seeker, worshipper, me) or the > Beloved > > (God, guru, priests, representatives of God). I am simply > pointing > > to the fact that when the divine beloved appears as a > guru/priest to > > the seeker and if the guru manipulates his adult followers into > > having sex, this is called abuse of power. The seeker submits > out of > > spiritual love, not expecting to be made love on the physical > level! > > > > Up to this point I can see the relative morality of the issue but > > there cannot even be debate on the child molestation cases for > the > > simple fact that children cannot give consent. I was outraged > today > > when I read that Cardinal Law in Boston shifted the > responsibility to > > the victims. Basically he said that negligence by the alleged > > victims contributed to the case. The cardinal's claim is a > > boilerplate moral defense but arguments like this in sensitive > child > > molestation cases shows poor judgment. > > > > Hur > > > > Nisargadatta, " elizabeth_wells2001 " > > <elizabeth_wells2001> wrote: > > > > > > Hur, > > > > > > if you are into this " lover and beloved " > > > and are an adult and really can't > > > smell shit from shinola, > > > > > > do yourself a favor and avoid live gurus > > > and buy a book. > > > > > > El Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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