Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 Nice! That's quite a larf you're larfing, Elf ... Well-said! That which is growing the leaves on the trees, and the atmosphere on the earth -- has no problems ... It is " we " the mind-possessors that are the problems, which is why we are busy fixing things and fighting for control of our lives, for the sake of a me ... What we are fixing is ourselves, and will never be fixed until I know that I ain't a problem to be fixed, no me-mind is involved. This just grows everything at once ... Just like this -- without a problem ... Life and death, gain and loss aren't a problem to be fixed. No mind needed, no thought necessary! -- Dan > Here telled elf, here are the very answers > > The root problem of all problems is mind itself. The first thing to be understood is what this mind is, of what stuff it is made; whether it is an entity or just a process; whether it is substantial, or just dreamlike. And unless you know the nature of the mind, you will not be able to solve any problems of your life. > > You may try hard, but if you try to solve single, individual problems, you are bound to be a failure -- that is absolutely certain -- because in fact no individual problem exists: mind is the problem. If you solve this problem or that, it won't help because the root remains untouched. > > It is just like cutting branches of a tree, pruning the leaves, and not uprooting it. New leaves will come, new branches will sprout - - even more than before; pruning helps a tree to become thicker. Unless you know how to uproot it, your fight is baseless, it is foolish. You will destroy yourself, not the tree. > > In fighting you will waste your energy, time, life, and the tree will go on becoming more and more strong, far thicker and dense. And you will be surprised what is happening: you are doing so much hard work, trying to solve this problem and that, and they go on growing, increasing. Even if one problem is solved, suddenly ten problems take its place. > > Don't try to solve individual, single problems -- there are none: mind itself is the problem. But mind is hidden underground; that's why I call it the root, it is not apparent. Whenever you come across a problem the problem is above ground, you can see it -- that's why you are deceived by it. > > Always remember, the visible is never the root; the root always remains invisible, the root is always hidden. Never fight with the visible; otherwise you will fight with shadows. You may waste yourself, but there cannot be any transformation in your life, the same problems will crop up again and again and again. You can observe your own life and you will see what I mean. I am not talking about any theory about the mind, just the " facticity " of it. This is the fact: mind has to be solved. > > People come to me and they ask: " How to attain a peaceful mind? " I say to them: " There exists nothing like that: a peaceful mind. Never heard of it. " > > Mind is never peaceful -- no-mind is peace. Mind itself can never be peaceful, silent. The very nature of the mind is to be tense, to be in confusion. Mind can never be clear, it cannot have clarity, because mind is by nature confusion, cloudiness. > > > Dear Elf -- > > If things are passing through you, > I hope you don't get indigestion > from it :-) > > From whence do they come and to where go, > if not from and to that which is > observing? > > Of what substance are they, other > than " what is? " > > -- Dan > > > > I must telled I do agree wiv all that wiseness. I must telled.I > do. I do I do I do.. > > > > You are not your angers.. You just let it pass through and out > the door again, just watchin likte a stranger eneterin the house and > passin out again.. Anyways I've just seed the white rabbit and I must > run fastly > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 Couldn't agree more though i woulda loved that in elvish more than in humanspeake :-) Anand. --- skydancer <skydancer wrote: > Here telled elf, here are the very answers > > The root problem of all problems is mind itself. > The first thing to be understood is what this mind > is, of what stuff it is made; whether it is an > entity or just a process; whether it is substantial, > or just dreamlike. And unless you know the nature of > the mind, you will not be able to solve any problems > of your life. > > You may try hard, but if you try to solve single, > individual problems, you are bound to be a failure > -- that is absolutely certain -- because in fact no > individual problem exists: mind is the problem. If > you solve this problem or that, it won't help > because the root remains untouched. > > It is just like cutting branches of a tree, > pruning the leaves, and not uprooting it. New leaves > will come, new branches will sprout -- even more > than before; pruning helps a tree to become thicker. > Unless you know how to uproot it, your fight is > baseless, it is foolish. You will destroy yourself, > not the tree. > > In fighting you will waste your energy, time, > life, and the tree will go on becoming more and more > strong, far thicker and dense. And you will be > surprised what is happening: you are doing so much > hard work, trying to solve this problem and that, > and they go on growing, increasing. Even if one > problem is solved, suddenly ten problems take its > place. > > Don't try to solve individual, single problems -- > there are none: mind itself is the problem. But mind > is hidden underground; that's why I call it the > root, it is not apparent. Whenever you come across a > problem the problem is above ground, you can see it > -- that's why you are deceived by it. > > Always remember, the visible is never the root; > the root always remains invisible, the root is > always hidden. Never fight with the visible; > otherwise you will fight with shadows. You may waste > yourself, but there cannot be any transformation in > your life, the same problems will crop up again and > again and again. You can observe your own life and > you will see what I mean. I am not talking about any > theory about the mind, just the " facticity " of it. > This is the fact: mind has to be solved. > > People come to me and they ask: " How to attain a > peaceful mind? " I say to them: " There exists nothing > like that: a peaceful mind. Never heard of it. " > > Mind is never peaceful -- no-mind is peace. Mind > itself can never be peaceful, silent. The very > nature of the mind is to be tense, to be in > confusion. Mind can never be clear, it cannot have > clarity, because mind is by nature confusion, > cloudiness. > > > Dear Elf -- > > If things are passing through you, > I hope you don't get indigestion > from it :-) > > From whence do they come and to where go, > if not from and to that which is > observing? > > Of what substance are they, other > than " what is? " > > -- Dan > > > > I must telled I do agree wiv all that > wiseness. I must telled.I > do. I do I do I do.. > > > > You are not your angers.. You just let it pass > through and out > the door again, just watchin likte a stranger > eneterin the house and > passin out again.. Anyways I've just seed the > white rabbit and I must > run fastly > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 - Anand Eswaran Nisargadatta Wednesday, May 01, 2002 7:57 AM Re: The mind and Dans questions Couldn't agree more though i woulda loved that inelvish more than in humanspeake :-)Anand.Ditto. I hope elvish has not left the building. Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2002 Report Share Posted May 30, 2002 Here telled elf, here are the very answers The root problem of all problems is mind itself. The first thing to be understood is what this mind is, of what stuff it is made; whether it is an entity or just a process; whether it is substantial, or just dreamlike. And unless you know the nature of the mind, you will not be able to solve any problems of your life. You may try hard, but if you try to solve single, individual problems, you are bound to be a failure -- that is absolutely certain -- because in fact no individual problem exists: mind is the problem. If you solve this problem or that, it won't help because the root remains untouched. It is just like cutting branches of a tree, pruning the leaves, and not uprooting it. New leaves will come, new branches will sprout -- even more than before; pruning helps a tree to become thicker. Unless you know how to uproot it, your fight is baseless, it is foolish. You will destroy yourself, not the tree. In fighting you will waste your energy, time, life, and the tree will go on becoming more and more strong, far thicker and dense. And you will be surprised what is happening: you are doing so much hard work, trying to solve this problem and that, and they go on growing, increasing. Even if one problem is solved, suddenly ten problems take its place. Don't try to solve individual, single problems -- there are none: mind itself is the problem. But mind is hidden underground; that's why I call it the root, it is not apparent. Whenever you come across a problem the problem is above ground, you can see it -- that's why you are deceived by it. Always remember, the visible is never the root; the root always remains invisible, the root is always hidden. Never fight with the visible; otherwise you will fight with shadows. You may waste yourself, but there cannot be any transformation in your life, the same problems will crop up again and again and again. You can observe your own life and you will see what I mean. I am not talking about any theory about the mind, just the "facticity" of it. This is the fact: mind has to be solved. People come to me and they ask: "How to attain a peaceful mind?" I say to them: "There exists nothing like that: a peaceful mind. Never heard of it." Mind is never peaceful -- no-mind is peace. Mind itself can never be peaceful, silent. The very nature of the mind is to be tense, to be in confusion. Mind can never be clear, it cannot have clarity, because mind is by nature confusion, cloudiness. Dear Elf --If things are passing through you, I hope you don't get indigestion from it :-)From whence do they come and to where go, if not from and to that which is observing?Of what substance are they, other than "what is?"-- Dan> I must telled I do agree wiv all that wiseness. I must telled.I do. I do I do I do..> > You are not your angers.. You just let it pass through and out the door again, just watchin likte a stranger eneterin the house and passin out again.. Anyways I've just seed the white rabbit and I must run fastly> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2002 Report Share Posted May 31, 2002 ... .. Just sittin high up in the tree readin the leafs and doon my studies. There are no needs to had a tension. what are the need of a tension? write elf.. then poked her nose back on the leaf. THERE ARE NOT a single thing in life requirin a tension. It are just unawareness and inpatience. Sunt rees are more tall; some trees are more small. But the small trees are not tense -- neither are the tall trees filled wiv egos. There are no questions of any comparisons. Comparisons are leadin people astray. Competition are keepin them continuously tense. This are drivin people -- insane. . The whole existence is livin in constant celebration, except humans. Who are sitting aloof, tense, and worried.. WHATEVER YOU ARE doon, if there are a contentment and a feeling that this whole existence is nothin but the manifestation of godliness, that we are travelin on holy earth, that whomever you are meetin, you are meetin God -- there are no other way; only faces are different, but the inner reality is the sane -- all your tensions will disappear. And the energy that is involved in tensions will start becomin your grace and beauty. Then life will not be just an ordinary routine, day-to-day existence, but a dance fron cradle to grave. elf frowed down her pens and snapped her book shut. That are all of my studyins for today..then she got out her noculars to seed who was about.. who are about yelled elf.. who are about down there.. ..elf parted the branches and grinned.. Nisargadatta Wednesday, May 01, 2002 7:57 AM Re: The mind and Dans questions Couldn't agree more though i woulda loved that inelvish more than in humanspeake :-)Anand.Ditto. I hope elvish has not left the building. Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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