Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 Hi Elf -- What I digest, I excrete. And what is, hasn't moved an iota :-) Thanks for the meal, it was enjoyable and good. The guests indeed are all treated the same. The very same. They are known by the host, from whence they came and to which they go. And the host hasn't moved anywhere ... Now -- let's agree not to be thinking too much about this stuff! :-) > > Mind doesn't exist as an entity -- the is the first thing. Only thoughts exist. > > The second thing: the thoughts exist separate from you, they are not one with your nature, they come and go -- you remain, you persist. You are like the sky: it never comes, it never goes, it is always there. Clouds come and go, they are momentary phenomena, they are not eternal. Even if you try to cling to a thought, you cannot retain it for long; it has to go, it has its own birth and death. Thoughts are not yours, they don't belong to you. They come as visitors, guests, but they are not the host. > > Watch deeply, then you will become the host and thoughts will be the guests. And as guests they are beautiful, but if you forget completely that you are the host and they become the hosts, then you are in a mess. This is what hell is. You are the master of the house, the house belongs to you, and guests have become the masters. Receive them, take care of them, but don't get identified with them; otherwise, they will become the masters. > > The mind becomes the problem because you have taken thoughts so deeply inside you that you have forgotten completely the distance; that they are visitors, they come and go. Always remember that which abides: that is your nature, your tao. Always be attentive to that which never comes and never goes, just like the sky. Change the gestalt: don't be focused on the visitors, remain rooted in the host; the visitors will come and go. > > Of course, there are bad visitors and good visitors, but you need not be worried about them. A good host treats all the guests in the same way, without making any distinctions. A good host is just a good host: a bad thought comes and he treats the bad thought also in the same way as he treats a good thought. It is not his concern that the thought is good or bad. > > Because once you make the distinction that this thought is good and that thought is bad, what are you doing? You are bringing the good thought nearer to yourself and pushing the bad thought further away. Sooner or later, with the good thought you will get identified; the good thought will become the host. And any thought when it becomes the host creates misery -- because this is not the truth. The thought is a pretender and you get identified with it. Identification is the disease. > > Gurdjieff used to say that only one thing is needed: not to be identified with that which comes and goes. The morning comes, the noon comes, the evening comes, and they go; the night comes and again the morning. You abide: not as you, because that too is a thought -- as pure consciousness; not your name, because that too is a thought; not your form, because that too is a thought; not your body, because one day you will realize that too is a thought. Just pure consciousness, with no name, no form; just the purity, just the formlessness and namelessness, just the very phenomenon of being aware -- only that abides. > > If you get identified, you become the mind. If you get identified, you become the body. If you get identified, you become the name and the form -- what Hindus call nama, rupa, name and form -- then the host is lost. Then you forget the eternal and the momentary becomes significant. The momentary is the world; the eternal is divine. > > This is the second insight to be attained, that you are the host and thoughts are guests. > > The third thing, if you go on watching, will be realized soon. The third thing is that thoughts are foreign, intruders, outsiders. No thought is yours. They always come from without, you are just a passage. A bird comes into the house from one door, and flies out from another: just like that a thought comes into you and goes out of you. > > You go on thinking that thoughts are yours. Not only that, you fight for your thoughts, you say: " This is my thought, this is true. " You discuss, you debate, you argue about it, you try to prove that: " This is my thought. " No thought is yours, no thought is original -- all thoughts are borrowed. And not secondhand, because millions of people have claimed those same thoughts before you. Thought is just as outside as a thing. > > > I must telled I do agree wiv all that wiseness. I must telled.I do. I do I do I do.. > > You are not your angers.. You just let it pass through and out the door again, just watchin likte a stranger eneterin the house and passin out again.. Anyways I've just seed the white rabbit and I must run fastly > > > Dear Hur, > > I'm extremely sorry if I have not been sensitive to > your strong emotions regarding sexual abuse. > > However, I sincerely hope that you realize what you > call good and bad(all values, morals etc including > views on sexual abuse) is again a product of your > genes/conditioning and essensially conceptual. > > What Im saying is dissassociate with the person who > feels the outrage for you are not he.So your outrage > is in substance illusory(being rooted in the living > dream). > > Emotions like compassion arise (for the victims) > just as emotions such as anger arise ( in you) and > lust does ( in the lecherous priests).You are none of > them , just " look " at them, knowing that they are not > you. > > Do you think that fundamnetally those priest are > any less pure than you are , with all your gallant and > noble ideals? > > Once again sorry if I have been insensitive to your > emotions. > > Namaste, > Anand. > > > > > > ===================================================== > > Dear Anand, > > Before you entangle yourself in advaita concepts, do > you know what I > are talking about here? I am arguing that sexual > abuse by > gurus/priests especially towards children is wrong no > matter how you > look at it. > > Knowing who you are and outrage are not necesarrily > related. It's an > immature understanding of advaita that one *must* be > calm to > understand the truth. You can understand the truth > perfectly as you > kick the guru's ass out in outrage when you find out > he was molesting > your children. > > Hur > > > > ____________________ __ > For live cricket scores download Score Tracker > at: http://in.sports./cricket/tracker.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2002 Report Share Posted May 30, 2002 Mind doesn't exist as an entity -- the is the first thing. Only thoughts exist. The second thing: the thoughts exist separate from you, they are not one with your nature, they come and go -- you remain, you persist. You are like the sky: it never comes, it never goes, it is always there. Clouds come and go, they are momentary phenomena, they are not eternal. Even if you try to cling to a thought, you cannot retain it for long; it has to go, it has its own birth and death. Thoughts are not yours, they don't belong to you. They come as visitors, guests, but they are not the host. Watch deeply, then you will become the host and thoughts will be the guests. And as guests they are beautiful, but if you forget completely that you are the host and they become the hosts, then you are in a mess. This is what hell is. You are the master of the house, the house belongs to you, and guests have become the masters. Receive them, take care of them, but don't get identified with them; otherwise, they will become the masters. The mind becomes the problem because you have taken thoughts so deeply inside you that you have forgotten completely the distance; that they are visitors, they come and go. Always remember that which abides: that is your nature, your tao. Always be attentive to that which never comes and never goes, just like the sky. Change the gestalt: don't be focused on the visitors, remain rooted in the host; the visitors will come and go. Of course, there are bad visitors and good visitors, but you need not be worried about them. A good host treats all the guests in the same way, without making any distinctions. A good host is just a good host: a bad thought comes and he treats the bad thought also in the same way as he treats a good thought. It is not his concern that the thought is good or bad. Because once you make the distinction that this thought is good and that thought is bad, what are you doing? You are bringing the good thought nearer to yourself and pushing the bad thought further away. Sooner or later, with the good thought you will get identified; the good thought will become the host. And any thought when it becomes the host creates misery -- because this is not the truth. The thought is a pretender and you get identified with it. Identification is the disease. Gurdjieff used to say that only one thing is needed: not to be identified with that which comes and goes. The morning comes, the noon comes, the evening comes, and they go; the night comes and again the morning. You abide: not as you, because that too is a thought -- as pure consciousness; not your name, because that too is a thought; not your form, because that too is a thought; not your body, because one day you will realize that too is a thought. Just pure consciousness, with no name, no form; just the purity, just the formlessness and namelessness, just the very phenomenon of being aware -- only that abides. If you get identified, you become the mind. If you get identified, you become the body. If you get identified, you become the name and the form -- what Hindus call nama, rupa, name and form -- then the host is lost. Then you forget the eternal and the momentary becomes significant. The momentary is the world; the eternal is divine. This is the second insight to be attained, that you are the host and thoughts are guests. The third thing, if you go on watching, will be realized soon. The third thing is that thoughts are foreign, intruders, outsiders. No thought is yours. They always come from without, you are just a passage. A bird comes into the house from one door, and flies out from another: just like that a thought comes into you and goes out of you. You go on thinking that thoughts are yours. Not only that, you fight for your thoughts, you say: "This is my thought, this is true." You discuss, you debate, you argue about it, you try to prove that: "This is my thought." No thought is yours, no thought is original -- all thoughts are borrowed. And not secondhand, because millions of people have claimed those same thoughts before you. Thought is just as outside as a thing. I must telled I do agree wiv all that wiseness. I must telled.I do. I do I do I do.. You are not your angers.. You just let it pass through and out the door again, just watchin likte a stranger eneterin the house and passin out again.. Anyways I've just seed the white rabbit and I must run fastly Dear Hur, I'm extremely sorry if I have not been sensitive toyour strong emotions regarding sexual abuse. However, I sincerely hope that you realize what youcall good and bad(all values, morals etc includingviews on sexual abuse) is again a product of yourgenes/conditioning and essensially conceptual. What Im saying is dissassociate with the person whofeels the outrage for you are not he.So your outrageis in substance illusory(being rooted in the livingdream). Emotions like compassion arise (for the victims)just as emotions such as anger arise ( in you) and lust does ( in the lecherous priests).You are none ofthem , just "look" at them, knowing that they are notyou. Do you think that fundamnetally those priest areany less pure than you are , with all your gallant andnoble ideals? Once again sorry if I have been insensitive to youremotions.Namaste,Anand. =====================================================Dear Anand,Before you entangle yourself in advaita concepts, doyou know what I are talking about here? I am arguing that sexualabuse by gurus/priests especially towards children is wrong nomatter how you look at it. Knowing who you are and outrage are not necesarrilyrelated. It's an immature understanding of advaita that one *must* becalm to understand the truth. You can understand the truthperfectly as you kick the guru's ass out in outrage when you find outhe was molesting your children. Hur______________________For live cricket scores download Score Trackerat: http://in.sports./cricket/tracker.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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